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TC3000
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 Posted - 12/07/2005 : 4:51:20 PM
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Originally posted by GMCBlueBird83
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
There is the Blue Bird on the International 3300 Chassis. I believe that is offered with the International engines. I'm not sure what else you get, as far as engines go.
What kind of transmissions do Thomas, BB, and IC offer in there buses?
If the Blue Bird International 3300 is still available it would offer the DT466 as well as the VT365. There was talk about Blue Bird no longer offering this bus, however a check at the the Blue Bird website still lists the 3300 as being available. But the site is not updated often so who knows, LOL
I'll save the tranny answer for somebody else since I can't recall the new model numbers.
Speaking of their site (Offtopic), I found new flyers for their All-American and Vision, they have one version for the CAT C7, the other for Cummins.
Plus, of course, the 3300 is still there :) |
Edited by - TC3000 on 12/07/2005 4:52:34 PM |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 02:16:52 AM
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| I have a brochure for the All American RE and FE that I got in late 2003, early 2004. They both list the Cummins ISB and ISC as engine options. Didn't BB not have those options for awhile? |
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informal
Active Member
USA
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 07:18:38 AM
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| If you want an International chassis with a Blue Bird body I'am told this will be the last year. Starting with the 2007 emissions International will no longer offer this chassis. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 11:54:24 AM
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| I like that Blue Bird conventional on the 3300 chassis. I like that bus better than the Blue Bird Vision. That's sad that they are not going offer it any more. |
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TC3000
Senior Member
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 3:49:54 PM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
I like that Blue Bird conventional on the 3300 chassis. I like that bus better than the Blue Bird Vision. That's sad that they are not going offer it any more.
It's the end of an era as we know it :( |
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thomas91
Advanced Member
USA
212 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 3:53:48 PM
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| Gosh. About 75% of our fleet is Blue Bird/International. Can't imagine what we'll do when they discontinue the 3300...even though we usually buy used. These buses have proven to be one hell of a combination for us. |
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78fordwayne
Top Member
USA
2868 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 7:17:01 PM
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Originally posted by informal
If you want an International chassis with a Blue Bird body I'am told this will be the last year. Starting with the 2007 emissions International will no longer offer this chassis.
What do you meen because of the emissions??
This is the same chassis and engines that are used with the IC CE.
If it was dicontinued because of emmisions then there would not be an IC CE either... |
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78fordwayne
Top Member
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 7:28:56 PM
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I do agree that International isnt going to offer the 3300 for much longer. But I dont see how its related to emmisions.
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2005 : 02:05:23 AM
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| I know new emissions standards are affecting engines, but what do the emissions standards have to do with the actual bus itself? |
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TC3000
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/10/2005 : 06:22:06 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
I know new emissions standards are affecting engines, but what do the emissions standards have to do with the actual bus itself?
Maybe the new standards prohibit chassis manufacturers from supplying school bus chassis to just any bus body manufacturer? (only allows something like Freightliner being locked to Thomas)
Perhaps the IC-CE chassis is vastly different from the 3300 in which the upcoming VT390 wouldn't be compatible with the 3300? |
Edited by - TC3000 on 12/10/2005 06:22:54 AM |
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Thomas Ford 85-16
Top Member
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Posted - 12/10/2005 : 06:36:45 AM
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Maybe the new standards prohibit chassis manufacturers from supplying school bus chassis to just any bus body manufacturer? (only allows something like Freightliner being locked to Thomas)
This is done by the choice of Frieghtliner. Freightliner owns Thomas, so business-wise, it makes sense to only supply their chassis to Thomas. Fueling another body company with your chassis wouldn't give you a real competitive edge. Interational owns IC, so again, it would not make sense to spread that chassis around (though they do offer the 3300 to Blue Bird for a VERY high price). |
Mike's Bus Yard - http://buses.zwebpages.com - Since 1999
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2005 : 2:04:07 PM
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| There is a VT390 coming out? |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2005 : 3:39:24 PM
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The MD-3060 is no longer made? or is it not availiable in BB's only? As I've said several times, I don't know much about this engine and transmission stuff.
As I mentioned earlier in this topic, the MD3060 is STILL being made. The PTS-3000 does NOT replace the MD3060. Here is the link that I posted in that post:
http://www.allisontransmission.com/product/commercialtransmissions/model/pts/index.jsp?CTAMR=schoolshuttlebus
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That is nice that Blue Bird ad Thomas offer all these options. I do like the International engines, but I could some could benefit from a larger choice of engines in the IC buses.
I would have to disagree. I think it's nice that International only uses their products under the hood. One advantage is you only have to worry about one service point for your bus chassis, engine, and body.
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There is a VT390 coming out?
Yes. I think I mentioned this in another post awhile back. The VT365 is going to be redesigned and larger. It is going to be a 6.4 liter diesel engine. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2005 : 4:02:13 PM
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| Still a V8 though? |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2005 : 4:37:15 PM
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Still a V8 though?
Yes, that's correct. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2005 : 02:15:53 AM
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| Willn the VT365 still be offered though? I don't know much about this engine stuff. |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 07:26:34 AM
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Willn the VT365 still be offered though? I don't know much about this engine stuff.
No. The VT365 is going to be replaced by the "new" 6.4 liter model. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2005 : 07:55:52 AM
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| Does anyone know when this change will happen? (i.e. month, day, etc?) |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 4:17:08 PM
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Does anyone know when this change will happen? (i.e. month, day, etc?)
This new engine should be available by January 2007 at the latest, since it will be meeting the 2007 engine emission requirements. Look for it within the next year or so. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2005 : 02:33:24 AM
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| Hopefully this engine will perform more like the old T444E! I miss that engine! |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 1:26:57 PM
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What is the square/cubical part of the engine located at the very bottom? The part I am referring to is gray in color in the following photo:
http://www.actionsalvage.com/diesel1.jpg
The photo is of an International DT466. |
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origcharger
Top Member
United States
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Posted - 02/18/2008 : 2:36:59 PM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
What is the square/cubical part of the engine located at the very bottom? The part I am referring to is gray in color in the following photo:
http://www.actionsalvage.com/diesel1.jpg
The photo is of an International DT466.
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Operating; Seven T444Es, One MaxxForce 7, One VT365, Four DT466s, One E-450 6.0 and one Mercedes in a C2. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 3:01:51 PM
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| That is what I thought it was. Is this where the oil pan is located on all diesel engines that have been available in school buses in recent years? |
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Thomas Ford 85-16
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2008 : 4:43:53 PM
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bus724
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2008 : 4:47:04 PM
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| I've seen a few with the oil pan on the side... |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2008 : 5:42:15 PM
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Look at this photo:
http://atlanticbusyard.com/3001B.jpg
Towards the back of the bus, what are the two items that my yellow arrows point to? If it helps, this bus has a International T444E and an Allison AT545.
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busgeek++
Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 02/18/2008 : 7:26:54 PM
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| The front one looks to be the transmission oil pan, the rear is the crankcase breather hose. |
Buses are not a way of life, they are life |
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origcharger
Top Member
United States
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Posted - 02/18/2008 : 8:16:49 PM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
That is what I thought it was. Is this where the oil pan is located on all diesel engines that have been available in school buses in recent years?
The deepest part of the pan called the "sump" can be towards the front as in the picture or towards the rear, basically for clearance in whatever the chassis the engine is going in. |
Operating; Seven T444Es, One MaxxForce 7, One VT365, Four DT466s, One E-450 6.0 and one Mercedes in a C2. |
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misterbill
Advanced Member
United States
306 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2008 : 08:17:34 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
What is the difference between an inline 6 and a V8? Is it just the number of pistons?
Is this a quiz or do you really not know? I'm guessing this is not one of the questions you get on an ASE exam.
Here is something for you if you don't know much about motors-thought you might like it. This would have saved my father a lot of time if he had one of these when he was trying to explain to a 12 year old(me)how a motor works.
http://www.keveney.com/otto.html
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2008 : 08:49:48 AM
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Is this a quiz or do you really not know? I'm guessing this is not one of the questions you get on an ASE exam.
Look at the date of that post your quoting. I asked that question in September of 2005. If you read the posts that follow, you'll see the question was answered. Two years ago, I hardly knew anything about engines. I know alot more now. |
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misterbill
Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 02/21/2008 : 09:56:45 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
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Originally posted by misterbill
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Is this a quiz or do you really not know? I'm guessing this is not one of the questions you get on an ASE exam.
Look at the date of that post your quoting. I asked that question in September of 2005. If you read the posts that follow, you'll see the question was answered. Two years ago, I hardly knew anything about engines. I know alot more now.
Can you tell me why a diesel does not like to start when it is cold?
I will not accept cold motor oil as an answer.
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
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Posted - 02/21/2008 : 11:25:41 AM
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From what I understand, it's often because a diesel engine uses heat and compression to create an explosion in the cylinder. A typical engine with a spark plug uses an electrical spark to cause the explosion. The use of things like glo plugs and block heaters can help this.
Diesel fuel can gel up in extreme cold. A special additive can be poured into the fuel tank to help prevent this.
That's about as much as I know on why they won't start. A few of the other mechanics on here could give you more detailed information.
Where did you hear cold motor oil? I've never heard that as a reason they won't start. |
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Thomas Ford 85-16
Top Member
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Posted - 02/21/2008 : 11:52:26 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
Where did you hear cold motor oil? I've never heard that as a reason they won't start.
Cold motor oil becomes a problem when it's so thick that it becomes hard to crank the engine because of the extra work the geared oil pump must do. Also, that same thick oil fills every friction point in the engine, so really anything that's turning is going to be stiffer when the oil is cold. I've pulled out the dipstick on my bus on some cold mornings (well below zero) and the oil was more like grease in the way I could smear it around the dipstick. At work last year, the oil filters on one bus exploded because the oil was so thick. (And it wasn't revved up)
All in all, your engine might not start when the oil is too thick beacause A) if it's so cold that the oil is that thick, the cranking power from that battery is reduced drastically as well and B) the slower crank from the stiffness of the oil might not be enough for the engine to finally turn over. Then of course add all the diesel-reasons too. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2008 : 5:29:24 PM
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| Thank you for explaining that 85-16. I've never heard of that being an issue with our buses. I'll have to talk to our mechanics and find out if we've ever had that issue. |
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misterbill
Advanced Member
United States
306 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2008 : 06:22:01 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
Thank you for explaining that 85-16. I've never heard of that being an issue with our buses. I'll have to talk to our mechanics and find out if we've ever had that issue.
Very good! I just wanted to see how much you have learned. I didn't want 'oil' for an answer because that is a reason that a motor that runs on gasoline might not start. In the old days, before the newer oils that they have now, truck drivers would have to drain the oil out of their trucks and put it somewhere warm for the night. Sounds like fun to me. I had to change the oil(oops! fuel filters[I'm editing]) filters on a truck that I was driving once when it was -8. Lots of fun. Only good part was I had the truck at home. |
High School Friend-"Hey! How are you! Well, I guess you can't be doing too well, you're driving a school bus." |
Edited by - misterbill on 02/23/2008 09:40:18 AM |
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