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IC RE 1629
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United States
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 Posted - 09/06/2005 : 4:17:55 PM
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| Is there any other V-8 engine IC could consider in order to make a FE 200? The only V-8 I know of is the VT365. There was the T444E, but as everyone knows, that engine isn't made anymore. |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
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Posted - 09/07/2005 : 2:59:43 PM
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Is there any other V-8 engine IC could consider in order to make a FE 200? The only V-8 I know of is the VT365. There was the T444E, but as everyone knows, that engine isn't made anymore.
Nope. And, I don't see it feasible for International to custom-build a V8 engine just so it can fit into their FE; it doesn't make sense! Both the Thomas FE and BB AA FE utilize an inline-6 anyway.
International builds one other "small" engine, the VT275. That engine would be too small for most school bus applications. This engine is only available in their new CF series trucks. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 3:13:03 PM
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| How many engine models does International currently offer? (for school buses) |
Edited by - IC RE 1629 on 09/07/2005 3:16:52 PM |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 4:02:54 PM
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How many engine models does International currently offer? (for school buses)
Thomas86_a wrote the complete list of engine offerings for International/IC school buses in a previous post of his.
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Here are the facts:
IC-CE: Standard- CE 200- VT365 /Optional CE 300- DT466
IC-FE: Standard- FE 300- DT466 /Optional N/A
IC-RE: Standard- RE 200- VT365 /Optional RE 300- DT466 Optional RE 300- DT570
And in case anyone is wondering the RE is model number 300 whether you spec the DT466 or 570, there is no model 400 for the DT570 engine, although not a bad idea.
So, the answer would be three engines are offered in International's school buses: VT365, DT466, and DT570. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 02:15:59 AM
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| What kind of transmission would work best with a DT466? |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 4:31:00 PM
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What kind of transmission would work best with a DT466?
Depends on the size/weight of your bus, your application, and how much power you spec the DT466 with.
I would say a 71 passenger conventional powered by a 215 hp DT466 pairs fine with an Allison 2000 (now known as PTS-2500). If you were to spec a 230+ hp 78 or 84 passenger rear engine, I would go with the Allison MD3060 (now known as the PTS-3500 ). |
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Peter
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 09/08/2005 : 7:01:16 PM
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What kind of transmission would work best with a DT466?
A manual transmission! |
Spicer is nicer. |
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vabuslover
Advanced Member
United States
246 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 7:31:46 PM
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| Can you still spec a Cummins engine for Blue Bird AA FE/REs or the BB Vision? I was told by a friend his area has 03-04 FE AAs with Cummins engine. |
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78fordwayne
Top Member
USA
2868 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 7:38:36 PM
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| It has been explained to me that there were a few 05 ALl Americans with Cummins. As of today the C7 is the only engine that Blue Bird is useing in there chassis. |
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Rich
Top Member
United States
5768 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 8:11:03 PM
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| The only Cummins you can get in a Blue Bird right now is a Cummins ISC; and that is only available in the All American RE. |
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Edited by - Rich on 09/08/2005 8:11:25 PM |
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78fordwayne
Top Member
USA
2868 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 8:38:02 PM
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| Yes! ISC, That to. I forget about that engine. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 02:08:25 AM
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If you could take a 78 passenger school bus, what bus would you get? What engine would you get if you were able to get any engine currently avaliable for a school bus? What transmission would you get?
I would get an IC-RE with either a DT466 or DT570 and a Allison MD-3060 (6-speed version). |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2005 : 4:24:29 PM
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There is a discussion going on in the Fairfax thread about Thomas ER's and engines. For a 78 passenger 1994 Thomas ER, what engine and transmission would you feel is best suited for the job?
Our 1994 Thomas ER's have a Cummins ISB (or ISC) and a AT545 transmission. |
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BusFreak
Top Member
USA
798 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2005 : 11:32:43 PM
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| Those 94 ERs have what is now known as the ISC and the AT545....thats almost oxymoronic....or just moronic! Someone wasn't using their brain at the time. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 02:12:01 AM
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| What engine would you feel would be best for those buses? Of the engines avaliable at the time. |
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GMCBlueBird83
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 06:00:53 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
What engine would you feel would be best for those buses? Of the engines avaliable at the time.
In my old district in NY our older Thomas ERs used the CAT 3208T with an Allison MT643 automatic. Our later ERs use the CAT 3116 also with the 643. Both of these combos seemed to work quite well although I'm sure the Cummins 8.3 liter now known as the ISC would have been just as good. I still miss the roar of those good ol' 3208s
Anything heavy duty such as a rear engine school bus really should not have an AT-545. |
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Rich
Top Member
United States
5768 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 12:45:32 PM
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| ISC with a AT-545? Are you sure about that? Seems like an impossible combination to me; from what I've read ISCs were only available with MT-643s, 3060s, and 3000s. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 1:09:37 PM
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| Yep. Were sure. |
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IC-RE
Top Member
USA
4117 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 1:27:04 PM
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| Definetley sure, those buses are HEAPS! |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 06:59:26 AM
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| What engine options does Blue Bird offer for it's buses? I've haven't kept up with them. |
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Cody
Top Member
United States
1630 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 2:15:09 PM
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| The Cat C7 for sure. And I think the Cummins ISC in the REs. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 2:28:06 PM
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| How long has that Cummins ISB and ISC been around? |
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TC3000
Senior Member
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2005 : 06:57:48 AM
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International builds one other "small" engine, the VT275
I don't even know if that's even being made anymore. There's no listing of it on Navistar's web site.
If I remember correctly, the 275 is the V6 version of the 365. |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2005 : 3:52:31 PM
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I don't even know if that's even being made anymore. There's no listing of it on Navistar's web site.
If I remember correctly, the 275 is the V6 version of the 365.
Their cab-over truck is a new addition to their line-up, and the VT275 was built specifically for this truck. That engine is definitely being made for that product. Perhaps they haven't had a chance to list it yet? |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 3:46:46 PM
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| What is the Cummins ISB, ISC? Inline 6, V8? Fill me in |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 5:19:39 PM
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The Cummins ISB and ISC are inline-6 diesel engines.
International makes the only V8 diesel engine (VT365) available to the school bus market today. |
Edited by - B. Busguy33 on 10/05/2005 5:20:04 PM |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 5:39:17 PM
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| What is the difference between the ISB and ISC then? |
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thomas86_a
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2005 : 02:42:55 AM
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| Thank you for the link! |
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TC3000
Senior Member
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2005 : 10:44:22 AM
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Cummins ISB is 5.9L, parent bore
The ISC is 8.3L, and a wet-sleever (like the DT466)
I thought the DT 570 was too big for school buses |
Edited by - TC3000 on 10/06/2005 10:46:38 AM |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2005 : 3:58:27 PM
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I thought the DT 570 was too big for school buses
It's only available in their RE product. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2005 : 02:18:48 AM
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| Does anyone actually have a DT570 in there RE? |
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GMCBlueBird83
Top Member
USA
1478 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2005 : 06:10:32 AM
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Originally posted by IC RE 1629
Does anyone actually have a DT570 in there RE?
My brain may be failing me a bit this early in the morning but I think I remember seeing a older AmTran RE unit or two with the older DT530 here in Palm Beach. Joe would have to confirm that though. |
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IC RE 1629
Top Member
United States
5097 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2005 : 06:48:08 AM
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Ok.
What is a transmission retarder? I've heard that term alot, but never knew what it was. |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
3444 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2005 : 7:15:46 PM
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Does anyone actually have a DT570 in there RE?
You see a lot of California-spec'd IC REs equipped with this engine.
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What is a transmission retarder? I've heard that term alot, but never knew what it was.
Basically, a retarder of any kind helps slow a vehicle with less use of the brakes. |
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