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Posted - 05/15/2013 :  9:52:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Curious what kind of diesel engine horsepower ratings operators are ordering throughout the country on their new 2010+ buses.

Here in NY, it is common on Type C buses to 220 HP engines for 65 and 71 passenger buses. Some districts are going with 250 HP in the hillier areas. PTS2500 transmission is also the most common, not much demand for the 3000 on conventionals.

The few districts left that order transit buses are typically opting for the 220-240 HP engines, and the PTS3000 transmission for 77+ passengers.

Please post your state/region, terrain and bus sizes for reference. Looking forward to seeing what the trends are in other areas.


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Posted - 05/16/2013 :  02:57:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NW Ohio is dominated by Blue Bird overall, and the majority of them are stock units. These are 200 horse with 2500 transmissions. This goes for conventional and transit.

I am one of a *small* handful buying 250HP and 3000 trannies. Call me crazy, but I like things to last and not need the transmission to be replaced twice over its life!

Southern Ohio is hit and miss. I see everything from 200 to 250's running around, and a lot of light (2500) transmissions. Given how hilly that region is, I fail to understand. It has to be sticker shock and looking only at the up-front cost, rather than the lifetime cost of the bus.
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Posted - 05/16/2013 :  07:12:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oregon, mostly flat but some up-and-down in the South Hills area of town.

Bluebird fleet, here's last year's order specs:

200HP w/2500PTS in our 169" WB 25 passenger wheelchair Visions
220HP w/2500PTS in our 189" WB 37 passenger wheelchair Visions
250HP w/3000PTS in our 245" WB 78 passenger D3REs

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Posted - 05/16/2013 :  07:17:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pat, most districts look at up front cost unless you can school them on the cost over the life of a bus.
Rich, we have consistently ordered what I would call the industry standard. We live in a pretty flat part of the world. That standard has changed over the last 20 years. Back then it was 190 then 210 a little later I would say it's up to at least the 225 range now. The last bus we got was the propane unit with the 8.1. It is rated at 325 (and it shows, wow does it have power!) the new Ford engines in the propane Visions are rated at 362 w/ 457 ft. lb torque.

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Posted - 05/17/2013 :  10:34:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
220 hp. Cummins ISB/2500
210 hp. Cat C7/2500
190 hp. VT65/2000

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