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IBTMech
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 Posted - 11/23/2009 : 6:55:33 PM
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I'm impressed with the simplicity of the Venetech system. It isn't an engine heater system. A plug-in block heater is required for cold weather starting but the rapid heater warm up provided by this product sounds like a plus.
http://www.ventechlhg.com/Welcome.html
I'd like to hear from anyone with experience with these units.(Oricharger)
Ron, are these available as an option on IC buses? It appears that the compressor would plug right in to the Maxxforce DT where the AC compressor would mount. |
Edited by - IBTMech on 11/23/2009 6:59:38 PM
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Fastback
Top Member
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 5:31:55 PM
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Yes, we have two of the Ventech liquid heat generators, they make an impressive differance in bus warmup time. One of ours is on a 2008 VT365 and the other on a 2010 MaxxForce 7. They easily mounted above the alternator where I assume an OEM A/C compressor would have mounted. They are thermostatically controlled and also have an on/ off switch if you don't desire them to operate.
While they are not able to preheat the coolant before the engine starts, they don't require a mounting box in the skirt, need no pump or fuel lines, no exhaust, no timers, no engine off battery draw, need little or no maintenance and are dependable. |
Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback |
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RichBusman
Advanced Member
453 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 7:00:41 PM
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Fastback
Top Member
1500 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 7:15:42 PM
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Originally posted by RichBusman
What is the price on these installed?
Likely to be in the $1800 area.
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Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback |
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 12:10:55 PM
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Hello everyone
Noticed this thread, and with winter here I thought I'd post up a video we just created last weekend showing the Ventech Liquid Heat Generator in action. Once you see it, you'll know why it's the fastest and most efficient idle-reduction technology on the market today. It gets your fleet out on the road fast... saving fuel costs, labor costs and creating a safe and comfortable environment for the driver and passengers.
Have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2bPKRsjG0
We have install kits for 33 different bus/engine combos from all bus manufacturers, with more on the way.
Full disclosure, I work for Ventech. If you're interested in learning more about the LHG or installing them on your fleet, feel free to call the number in the video, or e-mail me at bmartin at ventechlhg dot com.
Thanks for looking!
B. Martin
Ventech LLC |
Edited by - Bmar on 12/14/2011 1:30:13 PM |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2011 : 4:07:28 PM
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| Looks good. What's the cost? How hard are they to install? |
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tlbc
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 03:25:56 AM
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| I have one of these works good if you can keep it running. I have one word for this system JUNK. |
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Fastback
Top Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 05:01:06 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
Looks good. What's the cost? How hard are they to install?
I am a believer, we have 4 of them, noticeable differance in warm up time. 2 to 3 hours to install, on our units they mount where an A/C compressor would have been. Read my previuos posts in this thread.
Now installed on; One VT365, two MaxxForce 7s and one 2012 6.7 Cummins. |
Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback |
Edited by - Fastback on 12/15/2011 05:03:31 AM |
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bwest
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United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2011 : 05:34:52 AM
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| So if you have air already you can't install these? |
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Wolf0r
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 06:20:24 AM
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| I would like to install one on a Freightliner we have with the MBE engine. It is slow warming up but getting the boss to spend the cash will take some work. |
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
Neil deGrasse Tyson |
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Fastback
Top Member
1500 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2011 : 06:21:35 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
So if you have air already you can't install these?
Hopefully the Ventech guy will answer that. All I am saying is that on the applications I have, the unit mounted where an OEM A/C compressor would have been. |
Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback |
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 10:41:13 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
Looks good. What's the cost? How hard are they to install?
The cost depends on the engine and bus make/model, but a ballpark figure is around $1700-$1800 each. Quantity discounts are available.
Pretty easy to install. Takes two to four hours. Install the brackets, install the unit, then plumb in the coolant lines and finally install the harness. Everything is included... hoses, nuts, bolts even the serpentine belt. |
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 10:43:21 AM
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Originally posted by tlbc
I have one of these works good if you can keep it running. I have one word for this system JUNK.
That's unfortunate to hear. We strive for 100% customer satisfaction. If you'd care to e-mail your contact info to me, we'll see if we can get your issues resolved. My e-mail address is bmartin at ventechlhg dot com. |
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 10:46:21 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
So if you have air already you can't install these?
We have some kits that are for engines with air conditioning, but in some cases, the AC compressor simply makes it impossible to find enough room on the engine to mount the LHG. Best thing to do is to let us know which engine you have and we can see if we have a kit. |
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 10:49:38 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf0r
I would like to install one on a Freightliner we have with the MBE engine. It is slow warming up but getting the boss to spend the cash will take some work.
We sell a lot of LHGs for the MBE engine. If you'd like me to help with talking to the boss let me know! |
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Bmar
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 10:53:06 AM
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I am a believer, we have 4 of them, noticeable differance in warm up time. 2 to 3 hours to install, on our units they mount where an A/C compressor would have been. Read my previuos posts in this thread.
Now installed on; One VT365, two MaxxForce 7s and one 2012 6.7 Cummins.
Thanks, Fastback. I'm very happy to hear that and I appreciate your feedback as well as your business. If you feel like it, drop me a line at bmartin at ventechlhg dot com. We like to keep in touch with our customers! |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:15:18 AM
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| Little pricy for me. I don't have trouble with warm up on a propane burner. lol That might put you guys out of the business. lol Just ribing you a little. There will always be people who want to stay with antiquated technology. lol |
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Wolf0r
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:26:17 AM
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| It is a great concept that could implemented into an electric vehicle, It might even work well with a regenerative braking system. The boss wants to see more propane availability in more areas before jumping into one. I have a 8.1 on the route that could use a roush conversion. Anyway man good luck on selling a bunch of them, I could use the install work. |
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
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Bmar
New Member
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 12:36:47 PM
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By the way, I just noticed that the website listed in the OP is wrong/outdated.
Go here for Ventech's website: www.ventechlhg.com |
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Fastback
Top Member
1500 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2011 : 12:55:47 PM
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 I would note that you can order a new Thomas C2 with factory installed Ventech LHG, get 9 mpg, have an easy 500 mile range on a tank of fuel, not worry about the hocus pocus fuel price credits and other incentives expiring, get a proven B Series Cummins and still save roughly $7,750* on initial purchase over a propane bus with an aluminum headed V10 that Ford doesn't use in any truck larger than an F650 with a 29,000 GVWR. 
*easily obtained unnamed state bid base price quote differance on 65 pass BB Propane vs. 65 pass C2 with Ventech LHG.
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Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback |
Edited by - Fastback on 12/15/2011 2:23:22 PM |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
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Posted - 12/16/2011 : 10:12:32 AM
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"Well, there you go again." (Ronald Reagan election 1980) Had to put that in there, that was the first thing that came to mind Wolf.
As for you points, I don't really want to re-hash some of this stuff but the new generation diesels are so dog gone complicated I don't really know where to start. How about this: Funding cuts = longer time on the road for your fleet = more breakdowns = big money spent on repairing these complicated machines. All of the complication is taken away with a propane engine.
As for fueling locations go here http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/locator/stations/ Put in your zip and how many miles from your location you want to locate a station and click go.
Also be sure to check with your local propane supplier to see if they will put in a station for you for selling the propane to you. They get funds back from the feds (for now) to install a station.
On the Ford V10, I don't think they are as bad as a 6.0 diesel from Navistar. Just a short story here; I have a neighbor that has been looking for a truck for a while. He wants a diesel and would prefer a Ford but after asking around and looking on line he is convinced that he will never own a 6.0. Seams that there have been many horror stories of owners having to swallow a big repair bill just after they went out of warranty. I guess my point is, if Ford was having trouble with that V10 you would think it would be everywhere. Now I know there are some people having trouble but I don't think it's that wide spread.
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