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PHW
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Posted - 05/06/2009 :  09:56:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you seen this?

I have a 2000 AMTRAN with a DT530e were the turbo intake impeller separated in half blowing out the turbo charger. This seems to be a reoccurring problem per International dealer and has happened previously at my shop.

ameristar2
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  2:11:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit ameristar2's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I know that with the explosion of diesel performance products, there should be an upgraded impeller available out there somewhere. Most of the time, it comes down to compressor surge that blows them apart. What turbo do you have on it?
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PHW
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  2:37:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Turbo PN 1830498C93. According to International parts Garrett Air Research said there was no upgrade at this time. I asked the question on School Bus Fleet home page, Ask International. They e-mailed for information but have not gotten back to me yet. Were the impeller separated you will find a penny size flaw at the separation.

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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  4:04:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just be thankful it didn't feed the engine any blades or oil... Talk about an expensive problem.
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PHW
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  4:11:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It filled our expensive particulate trap with oil and no one at this time wants to cook it. Intl is looking for someone to service it.

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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  4:48:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
YOUCH!!!!!! Not the CAC though?
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wagonmaster
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  04:28:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is an ongong issue, not just with IC, but with Cummins as well. After coolers and air filters need to be changed out after the impeller comes apart. I don't know of a way to get all the metal out of the system any other way! Clean the duct work thoroughly!

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PHW
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  08:26:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This seems to be a more common occurence than I thought the more I look into it. If, as my impeller is indicating a flaw there may be alot of ticking time bombs out there. This turbo blew up with a bus load of students climbing a hill. Fortunately the oil sprayed over the engine did not catch on fire. What is scary about this type of failure is there is no warning, as with a bearing going out.

Maybe this issue is compelling enough to have the DOT look at it?

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Posted - 05/20/2009 :  8:56:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Picture of last impeller failure.

http://paulwiggins1776.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/picture-1429-150x150.jpg

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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 05/21/2009 :  2:06:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow. Have you pulled apart any comparable units before failure and just taken a look at the impeller? I'm just curious if a guy could yank a pipe off and see any signs of impending failure.
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PHW
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Posted - 05/21/2009 :  2:15:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thomas,

May be a good idea at least on the group C91(PN#-1830498C91)impellers.

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