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IC
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Posted - 10/23/2006 :  3:56:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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FCPS makes you pay for the use of it's school buses for trips like that?



OH YES THEY DO HAHA, and they aren't cheap! We tried to take a trip, and if it is not TOTALLY sponsored by the teacher and Director of Student Activities, AND the Principal, they charge a lot more. They do have set fees for the common trips like other high schools, D.C. and so other hot spots



They are CONSTANTLY reminding us to be careful with the mileage on the field trip vouchers. The mileade you put on the voucher is to be ONLY when students are aboard.....not to and from the pick-up point....or if you go anywhere during the trip (like to eat, etc), DO NOT include that mileage either.

I guess they charge by the mile! LOL
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IC-RE
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Posted - 10/23/2006 :  4:08:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
They do give some nice deals, like if we do take a trip that doesn't really relate to the subject, like going to D.C. to go to the zoo for a Math class and so on. Sometimes we just like to take fun trips at the end of the year... Anyway, for trips like these they usually ask each student to pay $5... not that bad, but if the school sponsors it, the PTA or boosters (or whatever) pay for the trip. BUT if an after school club wants to take a trip, we are ON OUR OWN, unless we can get the activity bus to take us, but that takes a LOT of convincing.

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 10/24/2006 :  02:30:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought the nice thing about using FCPS buses was there was no charge. Guess I was wrong on that.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 10/24/2006 :  12:35:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, last year I priceed it out, It was actually cheaper to ride Williams bus Lines down to D.C. than it was for FCPS. This was for a club trip

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  08:16:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How far will WBL take you? Any limits on distance?
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IC-RE
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  1:43:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I believe Williams took my Synogogue on a trip a few years back from Reston to a museum in Maryland, not sure, but I think it was them.

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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mtirv
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  04:01:07 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I now have some falls Church pictures up

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IC-RE
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  1:21:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is that Special ed Blue Bird a Falls Vhurch bus, or a Fairfax bus, looks juts like one of ours. Actually I know those were your guy's Thomas ER's and IC RE's, but they sure look identical to ours. Our dirstricts have common taste in buses haha

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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mtirv
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  2:41:46 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
We probably just copy you.. dont feel like coming up with our own stuff :-p

Anyway, the bluebird was a fairfax bus that was behind our bus. It was bus 4??
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pbfreak30
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Posted - 10/30/2006 :  6:49:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
man several of our brand new C2's have been in the shop already 9 weeks into the year....one of them, bus 80 has spent 3 weeks in the shop already, most have averaged about a week in the shop though. When their in the shop the drivers get to enjoy one of our lovely 1988/89 thomas ford b600's that are capped to 45mph!!!!! our 1999-2005 FS-65's have done fine and only one of those have made its way to the shop, and it was a 2000 model with a Cummins, which is the year and engine of my bus, but i am on the list for the next 05 FS to open up, because those are un-governed with Benz engines and Air doors

ARROW transportation RP..the best out there!
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bsaund09
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Posted - 11/05/2006 :  6:40:34 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know if the 65 m.p.h. for Virginia school buses on interstates will be re introduced this year for a vote before the general assembly? I notice many rural highways have been allowed to do 60m.p.h. which is great in some places. I haven't heard much on the issue thought maybe someone might have heard.

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mtirv
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Posted - 11/06/2006 :  05:30:27 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by pbfreak30

man several of our brand new C2's have been in the shop already 9 weeks into the year....one of them, bus 80 has spent 3 weeks in the shop already, most have averaged about a week in the shop though. When their in the shop the drivers get to enjoy one of our lovely 1988/89 thomas ford b600's that are capped to 45mph!!!!! our 1999-2005 FS-65's have done fine and only one of those have made its way to the shop, and it was a 2000 model with a Cummins, which is the year and engine of my bus, but i am on the list for the next 05 FS to open up, because those are un-governed with Benz engines and Air doors



Falls Church's C2 has almost never been in the shop. I cannot remember one time when I did not see it lined up to pick kids up. Our bus 16, a Thomas HDX, is completely different though. Its in the shop almost every other week. I actually like it when its in the shop because we get to ride bus 17, an IC-RE.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 12/07/2006 :  5:43:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
mtirv, how many buses are there total in Falls Church fleet?
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IC-RE
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Posted - 12/07/2006 :  6:09:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
According to their website http://www.fccps.k12.va.us/quickfacts.htm they have 16 buses so there must be a gap or two in there because I know they have a bus 18 as well which is an IC RE identicle to ours

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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mtirv
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Posted - 12/08/2006 :  12:19:55 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Regular Service Buses:
Bus 22 - IC-CE - got it this year... my driver turned it down, though :(
Bus 21 - Thomas C2
Bus 20 - IC-CE 200 - Handicapped lift.
Bus 19 - IC-RE
Bus 18 - IC-RE
Bus 17 - IC-RE
Bus 15 - Thomas MVP ER
Bus 14 - Thomas MVP ER
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Substitute Buses:
Bus 16 - Thomas HD
Bus 12 - Thomas Ford - Handicapped Spare
Bus 11 - Thomas Vista - It smells weird.
Bus 10 - Thomas International
Bus 9 - Thomas International
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Two Short Buses, one is a spare, I belive.
One handicapped white van.

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I think that's right. I'm iffy on the short buses and handicapped van, though.
Apparently FCCPS doesnt like FE's.

Edited by - mtirv on 02/14/2007 10:10:17 AM
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BusFreak
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Posted - 12/08/2006 :  4:51:06 PM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Falls Church City bus 10 is a mid to late 90s Thomas International.

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mtirv
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Posted - 12/09/2006 :  05:51:32 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure that's what number 9 is too.
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Drew19
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Posted - 12/12/2006 :  07:24:25 AM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
mtirv I used to live in fcps, then I moved to loudoun county, the hdx's in loudoun are reliable, engines that loudoun got is cats and mercedez benz.
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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/10/2007 :  06:28:17 AM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I have noticed more Virginia school buses with the rear stop sign. I hope the Virginia State Board of Education approves them on all Virginia school buses. I would also like to see them allow the markings STOP STATE LAW put back on the rear of the bus. Anything that would help save the life of a child would be great. People today are in such a big hurry they sometimes do not even realize we are out there.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/10/2007 :  11:41:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The real stop arm idea sounds cool. One thing I think would also help would be TV ads telling people when to stop and what could happen if you don't stop. Most people don't know the laws. I asked my family and friends if they knew when to stop and what punishments you could get for not stopping and 90% of them didn't have a clue.
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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/10/2007 :  6:46:33 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Does DMV still always include a question about a school bus on the road in traffic on its written test for new drivers. I know at one time I believe there was always a question about regulations regarding when to stop for a school bus .

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mtirv
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Posted - 01/11/2007 :  2:16:13 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
IC Re 1629, the thing about rear stop arms is that I don't see where they are that needed. The bigger concern is people who are coming at the bus from the front not stopping. If bus drivers cross their children corrently after making sure traffic in BOTH directions is stopped, there should be no need for the added expences of rear stop signs. In my experience, only one time has someone passed our bus from behind.
The bright, flashing lights and front stop arm should get the job done.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/11/2007 :  2:23:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On my regular bus and late bus, most of the violators are coming from behind. My opinion on the dual stop arms comes mainly from personal experiences and observations I've made.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/11/2007 :  2:40:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think what mtirv doesn't see is that most of our stops (when possible) have the bus pull to the far right lane or turn lane, and that leaves room to the left of the bus for cars to pass

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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mtirv
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Posted - 01/12/2007 :  5:20:10 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yeah, probably here in Falls Church the roads are a lot less wider, so most of our stops are on places where theres only one lane to pass, so people just don't... It probably would be good for areas that arent as small as Falls Church, but like you guys, I was basing my first opinion just from personal experience, so I'd probably say that it isn't needed too much in Falls Church, but based on what you guys are saying, it would probably be good in Fairfax. It really depends on the area I guess.
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722
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Posted - 01/12/2007 :  5:51:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dual stop arms are required on new 64-passenger and larger school buses on future bus purchases in the state of Virginia.
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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/12/2007 :  7:26:09 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
722- when did that requirement come into effect it seems to be a different opinion around here about those things being approved although i hope they are.

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722
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Posted - 01/12/2007 :  7:32:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I were to order a Virginia spec school bus tomorrow and it was 64-passengers or more it would have to have dual stop signs. All new buses will also have a non-sequel warning light system. These are spec changes for the 2007-2008 Virginia school bus specs.
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mtirv
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Posted - 01/19/2007 :  7:38:28 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mtirv's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
In Virginia, are the limits on where the bus company logos can be applied on lift buses? I ask this because our CE-200 has the CE200 logo near the door and the IC logo on the rear, but our non-lift one doesn't have those.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/19/2007 :  9:12:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
none of our buses are supposed to have them, but some of them do anyway. Loudoun has a few buses that Have the RE300 logo next to the door and the IC badge on the rear bumper, sometimes they seemed to be overlooked. I know we had at least one or two come in with the badge next to the door in the past. I know of an AmTran RE or two near me that still have a badge next to the door that says "Chassis by International" or something like that

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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Posted - 01/19/2007 :  9:48:15 PM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Arlington County's ICs have both the logos near the door, and the logos on the rear bumber.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  07:24:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alexandria City Schools has the logo near the door and the rear bumper logo. I know the logo painted above the driver's window and the entrance door is NOT allowed what so ever. I guess VA is lettting things slide a little if they aren't having the small logo by the door and the rear bumper logo removed.
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IC
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  07:57:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I saw one of our Thomas ERs the other day that did NOT have the mud flaps reversed.
You could read the word "Thomas"....for shame! I bet somebody just overlooked it...or didn't know any better.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  08:07:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
IC, yeah I know we have a few here and there like that, whenever I see them, it annoys me a little because AmTran doesn't advertise of the rear.... why in the HEL* should Thomas get to..... oh wait, I know, we love those buses so much we want everyone to feel the pain we do LOL... (jk thomas fans)

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722
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  11:26:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bumper logos, by state guidelines they are not supposed to be on there (A heat gun will quickly remove them on a warm day).

The roof decal is a big no, no and I remember Fairfax receiving a few Wards (IC/Amtrans) with the decal in place on the roof and (Kessler Bus Sales of Maryland (there was not a VA dealer until the early to mid 90's) removing them from the buses before putting them on the road (I remember a few also having the chrome Navistar grills being exchanges for solid yellow, too. Usually these items are removed by the dealer or the shop during service if they were left on.

Of course the roof decal that was the best known was Blue Bird with the stripe behind the bird.

Virginia used to be much stricter, as interior panels were specially made because the manufactures embossed their logos on certain parts and VA would not permit logos in step wells, first aid kits, seat backs, barrier panels etc...

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