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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  11:57:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why is VA so anti logo?
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BusFreak
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  3:29:56 PM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
My guess (simply a theory) is that Virginia wants to delete anything "interesting" from the body of a school bus that is not related to the safety of the kids. Logos not only add distinction between competitors (advertising), but they also provide something else for drivers to look on a school bus, instead of looking at the warning lights, kids crossing the street, etc. It's as if they are boring the drivers on the road, so that 100% of their attention is on the safety of the kids. BTW, by drivers, I mean people in cars.

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disneynuts
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  3:34:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit disneynuts's Homepage  Reply with Quote
if 722 remembers, the state "does not want to confuse the motoring public" with any type of logos or ads
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sbdlax22
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  3:54:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit sbdlax22's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What is a non-sequel warning light system which is now required? I also feel that the dual stop sign is a great idea - if you are behind the bus you can not always see the front stop sign. While the red flashing lights require you to stop, I would think most people associate stopping for a school bus with the actual 'STOP' wording on the stop sign.
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  4:12:08 PM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Sequential Warning Light System - Currently in Virginia, the light system is wired in the following way. You activate the system by pressing a button, which activates the ambers if the door is closed. Once the door is opened, the reds/stop arm/crossing arm are engaged and the ambers shut off automatically. When the door is closed, the warning light system is shut off. Should the system be activated while the door is opened, the system bypasses the amber lights, and immediately turns to the reds/stop arm/crossing arm. Again, the system is turned off when the door is closed automatically.

Non-sequential warning light system - Starting this year apparently, warning light systems in Virginia will be wired the following way: The warning system is not going to be wired to the door in any way. There will be a switch to activate the amber lights, and a switch to activate the red/stop arm/crossing gate. This way, one could activate the entire warning light system without opening the service door.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  5:30:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our 2002-present buses can activate the reds without opening the door. You activate the amber lights, then flip the door switch to "WRN LIGHTS". The door switch is a 3-point toggle. From top to bottom, you have the following 3 positions: Door Open, Warning Lights, and Door Close.
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722
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Posted - 01/20/2007 :  6:14:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BusFreak

Sequential Warning Light System - Currently in Virginia, the light system is wired in the following way. You activate the system by pressing a button, which activates the ambers if the door is closed. Once the door is opened, the reds/stop arm/crossing arm are engaged and the ambers shut off automatically. When the door is closed, the warning light system is shut off. Should the system be activated while the door is opened, the system bypasses the amber lights, and immediately turns to the reds/stop arm/crossing arm. Again, the system is turned off when the door is closed automatically.

Non-sequential warning light system - Starting this year apparently, warning light systems in Virginia will be wired the following way: The warning system is not going to be wired to the door in any way. There will be a switch to activate the amber lights, and a switch to activate the red/stop arm/crossing gate. This way, one could activate the entire warning light system without opening the service door.



First, thanks Disneynuts, you and BusFreak are on the money. This is one reason that STOP STATE LAW was removed from the buses, although I believe it should be put back on. Virginia Beach has polited the lettering, and I would like to see it return.

The non-sequential warning light system will active the "RED" warning lights when the driver opens the door regardless if the driver has actived the "AMBER" warning light system.

I have yet to see propossed operating system, but I understand that the C2's can be programmed to do this already. There is a current bill in the state to mandate this on the school buses and bill currently does not a provision for the driver (or shop) to de-activate the red warning lights. (we got to work this one out)

We could be looking at something as simple as a three point door switch on air doors, with OFF, RED DOOR CLOSED, RED DOOR OPEN with a separate Master cut-off switch. (this is my ideal) If the driver forgets to active the "AMBER" when they move the door switch to the first position the "RED" lights come on.

Currently there is a three point door switch offer as an option on the Thomas HDX & C2 (I would assume that Amtrans/IC & Blue Bird would offer the same option) and I notice that several drivers with this swich active thier "AMBER" switch and once they stop, they move the switch to the middle position activating the "RED" warning lights, stop signs and crossing contol arm, but the door remains closed until they are sure that all traffic has stopped. Then they move it to the door open position in which the "RED" warning lights stay on and the door opens.

But we will have to watch and see what the bus companies come up with, and what systems are finally approved. Nothing in stone, yet...

BusFreak, you got the current system down pack, I think you are on the right track for the new system. It will be something close, but it will be tied into the operation of the door.

Edited by - 722 on 01/20/2007 6:17:04 PM
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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/25/2007 :  1:35:37 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Would like an idea as to how other systems run the basic to school and home stagger for schools ours is a High school , Elem. A, Elem. B, and the ever popular Middle School for most of drivers that is the basic to and from school routine . Just curious as to what other systems staggering openings are like. I understand how it works just wanting to see how much other systems expect from their drivers.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/25/2007 :  2:05:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here most regular ed drivers that I know either do High Sch, Mid Sch, Elem Sch, or they do High Sch, Elem Sch A, Elem Sch B.
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LBDboater
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Posted - 01/25/2007 :  2:22:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think that you should still have to activate the ambers. There are still times when I want to open the door without lights on. I already have the 3 position switches on all of ours. Thats the BOMB! I love it in the cold mornings, with kids crossing, and then waiting for them to get seated! But, like I said, the ambers should have to be activated first.
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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/25/2007 :  4:10:53 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
IC RE 1629-- so Fairfax drivers basic number or routes is 3. ( i know it isnt there whole day).Thanks maybe others will response to.

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IC
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Posted - 01/25/2007 :  4:23:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bsaund09

IC RE 1629-- so Fairfax drivers basic number or routes is 3. ( i know it isnt there whole day).Thanks maybe others will response to.



The basic number is 3...but that is am & pm, so that's a total of 6 a day. But many drivers also do a mid-day shuttle, a K-run, and/or a pm late run. If you want to do more, just listen to the radio....they constantly open-air requests for garage trips, transporting drivers here and there....and all kinds of "go-fer" stuff....the other day I took the big boss' Jeep and filled it up with gas! LOL
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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  10:09:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, y'all know everything about buses! We received a batch of International's last school year that had a big "I" sticker on the back bumper, I don't like it. The second and third batch of Internationals don't have that (mine included)!

I drive high school, middle and two elementary runs.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  1:47:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lena, what district are you in?
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BusFreak
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  2:21:39 PM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I'm guessing she is in Stafford County, who by the way has AWESOME looking IC RE Activity buses. They sound like they have the 365 though, which I'm sure we all feel the same way about.

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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  2:36:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh, the good old "Virginia Penny Pinchin' VT365" gotta love them haha!

Welcome Lena, I am a student over here in Fairfax County, you guys have some real nice Thomas HDX buses, and I hear you have some nice IC CEs!!

bus 1980, a 2008 IC RE 300 for Fairfax County Public Schools, Fairfax, Virginia.
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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  6:38:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good guess....Stafford! I got my CE 200 International (I only know that 'cause I see that when I scrub it) in January 2006...lol....but mine has actually been a good one so far, knock on wood. Some have been L-E-M-O-N-S...I love it (dearly)...but it can't pull a hill for nothing when I am loaded, unless I seriously get some speed going ... I am actually waiting for a deputy to be sitting in one certain spot and I will just have to explain the situation to him. If I don't floor it when I am almost at the bottom I know there is no way I will make it up the hill, just aint happening!!

We have 5 activity buses...I have driven them...they also don't have enough power for what they are were purchased for. We just started this "trip driver" thing with these activity buses and they have no power whatsoever. No thank you. Plus they are a transit, which I drove for eight years and after seeing one accident in Stafford and the one in Arlington...I was glad to get out of that windshield.

What are HDX buses? I am not as knowledgeable as y'all when it comes to all this info but I do know that International is what's been purchased. Do you mean the special needs buses with the AC? They went all out for that!!

Oh...and thank you for the welcome! IC RE 1629..you must be a real special student to be that interested in the buses!! That's pretty neat! I have an Aunt that's been driving for 25 or so years in Vienna...

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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  6:47:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
HEYYY!! Vienna, my school is Vienna HOW cool, do you know any details, I may know of her!!!?

Your HDX buses are the Thomas Transit units with the Funny looking mirrors in front.

We have International REs that came in spring of 2005 with the same engine that your bus has and we got over 100 of them, and nearly all of them have gone out for service and been out for months at a time.

This year we got our New Internationals with way better engines, the DT466. You're lucky yours is still good!

Let me know some details about your aunt, I may see her everyday, heck, she may be my driver lol


By the way, I am IC-RE, icre1629 is another student here in Fairfax but from another part

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Edited by - IC-RE on 01/29/2007 6:48:19 PM
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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  6:58:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, I am new to this forum and don't want to give too much info, but her name is Jackie and she is very sweet...I know she loves her job...I don't know what schools she drives out of because we never really talk about that, perhaps we should. But she definitely lives in Vienna, you probably know her! I will make it a point to call and ask what schools she drives out of.

oh, and yea, those white buses...good golly you really know your stuff...I can't imagine any of my high school kids knowing all this!! That is pretty neat


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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:03:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Haha.... too much time on my hands lol?

Yeah, I totally understand about not releasing info out on the forum, I am the same way, I try to stay private. Does she drive for FCPS, or does she just live in Vienna and drive somewhere else? Just curious. I don't think I know of anyone by Jackie, but hey, we call most drivers Mr/Mrs. last name.

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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:16:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
is that it...too much time on your hands?? A teenager!

She lives in Vienna and she drives for Fairfax County....actually more than 25 years now. Her name is Jackie Hull...I will call her tomorrow and ask her what schools she drives out of....

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IC
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:16:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Belated welcome to Lena! Wow, another Virginia driver....Richard and Co. will have a stroke! LOL

I'm a reg-ed FCPS driver of a '99 AmTran RE. Retired from US Gubmint and LOVING my new career!

Okay, Lena, you got a pen? We're going to need a complete roster of SCPS buses, Reg-Ed, SE, and Activity (please include capacity, engines, trannies, etc). Then we'll need interior and exterior pics of all buses posted on a WebShots or similar page.*


*Just kidding!
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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:19:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WHAT???? I have homework???







OMG too funny....thank you for the welcome. And you know, I can do that, really, but you gotta give me a few weeks!! At least two, anyway!! y'all are funny! Typical men...into all that engine stuff!


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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:19:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, I do all the normal high school stuff, I am in clubs, I run, I go to the gym, I have an after school job, I spend money like it grows on trees LOL, you name it, I do it.

I guess I have just been interested in the cheese wagon since I was in Kindergarten, and my friends dad is a driver so it keeps me interested. There is just something that seems so cool about driving a vehicle that big... btw I love to drive!

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Lena
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:29:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
that is really cute...and I don't mean that in a funny way. My best friend has been driving since high school and he knows EVERYTHING about buses too and is always teasing me that I don't have that "deep" interest...He's always quizzing me...it's funny. We participate in Roadeos every year and all that...I have gotten better, I can recognize a Ford from a Chevy from an International from a Freightliner. And, trust me, that means something!! I am getting there!

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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  7:30:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Haha, good start. I basically learned a lot from observing our own FCPS buses, and until a few years ago, I thought all buses looked the same, but this forum totally taught me otherwise LOL

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bsaund09
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Posted - 01/30/2007 :  1:50:58 PM  Show Profile  Send bsaund09 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
What other school systems fuel at commerical gas stations on a regular basis? we have been doing it for a few years now.

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Lena
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Posted - 01/30/2007 :  5:00:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IC-RE....that's impressive! I have a feeling I will be gaining some knowledge.

Oh yea, do you know who my Aunt is?

We fuel at commerical gas stations, through Watchcard, all over the state in case we are on a field trip.


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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/30/2007 :  6:30:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You are! Hey at least you know what type of bus you drive haha!

I actually don't think I know your Aunt, she May drive for Madison High in Vienna, and I go to Oakton High in Vienna. If I had her bus number I would probably know

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BusFreak
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  05:50:22 AM  Show Profile  Send BusFreak an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I have heard of your Aunt, Lena. Back in the 90s, she drove one of the first Rear Engine transit buses the county had, a 94 Thomas ER. I want to say she was in 1393 or something. She was another hard cor Thomas lover (oh no, not that) who wouldnt give that bus up untill it was a spit away from being made a spare. She, along with a few others with the same type of bus, finally upgraded in 03 to an AC equipt IC RE. I think she almost immediately upgraded to an 04 after that, which she is still in. She is in something in the 1600s now. Ive heard many great things about Jackie, but I've never met her.

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Lena
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  09:39:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yea, I do remember when she told me she got AC...I will call her this weekend and get her number and what schools....She is a sweetheart and I know she loves her job.

IC-RE, I am definitely learning...yesterday at the shop I found myself actually looking at all the numbers on the hood!! I am paying attention!

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  11:40:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wait a moment....Did she drive 1396 per chance?
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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  1:46:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No that is a different driver, that driver is in 928, an 03 IC RE

Well, if I find out the number I am sure I will know who she is. I Recognize that last name, Hull.... hmm, I may know her

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  2:06:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The part BusFreak mentioned about a Thomas lover, drove 1393 or something like that, and wouldn't give it up, sounds alot like 1396 to me.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 01/31/2007 :  2:07:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
no busfreak knows a lot about 1396, he would know!

they are both spares now

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