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IHAVEABRAIN
Active Member
USA
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 Posted - 11/13/2003 : 2:46:31 PM
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| I was at the NAPT show and all I can say is that even the International and Blue Bird engineers/sales personnel were impressed. The majority of them said that it was incredible and that it would improve the market whether everyone else wanted to admit it or not. I have never seen anything in the industry make such a positive impression and I'm glad that I was present to see this. |
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whsbus10
Active Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 03:14:03 AM
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| I'm sorry but I still say the Vision is a better looking bus than the new C2. And the new IC absolutely beats both the new Vision and the C2. I really feel that school districts are going to have a rough time accepting this bus. We still have schools that won't buy tinted windows and white roofs because the school board members feel it is to fancy for a school bus. What are they going to think about the C2? |
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B. Busguy33
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2003 : 06:36:52 AM
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I'm sorry but I still say the Vision is a better looking bus than the new C2. And the new IC absolutely beats both the new Vision and the C2. I really feel that school districts are going to have a rough time accepting this bus.
I completely agree with you. |
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IHAVEABRAIN
Active Member
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 10:15:46 AM
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| You know you could be right. I know that all of the clapping and applause from the crowd at the Thomas reveal was nothing compared to the complete and utter silence when IC revealed their new bus. Oh I know they were speechless. I know that everyone in attendance from my shop said what changed and went back to the Thomas booth to stand in line. |
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exCYter
Advanced Member
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Posted - 11/14/2003 : 10:23:20 AM
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Originally posted by IHAVEABRAIN
You know you could be right. I know that all of the clapping and applause from the crowd at the Thomas reveal was nothing compared to the complete and utter silence when IC revealed their new bus. Oh I know they were speechless. I know that everyone in attendance from my shop said what changed and went back to the Thomas booth to stand in line.
Sounds like somebody has got a rather bad case of denial! The C2 has a face only a mother could love, but surprise, I have a feeling you're one of the mothers!! |
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IHAVEABRAIN
Active Member
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 10:36:35 AM
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exhater. You undoubtly have a problem with the facts. I'll make it easy. Here we go and try to read this slowly.
#1) I have stated nothing but the facts.
#2) If you were there you would in fact know that the response of the crowd to the unveiling of the new C2 was without a doubt one biggest things to hit the bus industry in years if not the biggest ever.
#3) I have not in any bashed IC or Blue Bird in any way. They are good products in their own ways. They are just dated.
#4) You have done nothing but berate the C2 and have not sold anything positive on "YOUR" CE.
#5) I am an engineer and I believe in stating facts, this is not a figure skating event it's a track meet and first one to the line wins. You can't believe in your heart of hearts that IC is a better product, and time will tell the story.
#6) You can't lie about market share.
#7) You can't lie about the storied history of IC bus, as it doesn't exist. The sold chassis only up until a couple of years ago and bought the great manufacturer WARD. What success and history.
#8) I think it's very poor to lie and expect people to just accept it, because you think they don't care enough to respond.
#9) IHAVEABRAIN and will use 1% or more of it if you should come up with anything of intelligence that isn't a lie.
#10) Congratulations to Blue Bird and their fans for being a class act. |
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1983WardFord
Top Member
USA
1395 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 7:28:51 PM
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| I'd like to know how this bus is going to conform with the 3 inches of black that's required on all Ohio buses. Blue Bird finally had to conform in 2000; I wonder what Thomas is going to have to do with this bus. |
Due to the current economic condition, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice. |
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Carpenter Bus_19
Advanced Member
USA
286 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 10:52:02 PM
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Wayne A cut above the rest. |
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Thomas Ford 85-16
Top Member
USA
4177 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2003 : 08:12:27 AM
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Originally posted by Superior83
I'd like to know how this bus is going to conform with the 3 inches of black that's required on all Ohio buses. Blue Bird finally had to conform in 2000; I wonder what Thomas is going to have to do with this bus.
I was wondering about this myself since Michigan requires it, too. I'm not too worried, though. Obviously nothing can be done below the lights but Thomas can probably apply a similar pattern of paint around the lights as they do now. It'll just have to wrap up and around the roof cap like it did on older buses. No harm there. |
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Isellbuses
Top Member
Canada
828 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 1:20:16 PM
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Originally posted by IHAVEABRAIN
I was at the NAPT show and all I can say is that even the International and Blue Bird engineers/sales personnel were impressed. The majority of them said that it was incredible and that it would improve the market whether everyone else wanted to admit it or not. I have never seen anything in the industry make such a positive impression and I'm glad that I was present to see this.
I was also at the NAPT in Salt Lake and the Blue Bird personnel including engineers and sales personnel were not impressed with the C2. On the contrary, I had a lengthy conversation with Jay Mcduffy, Jay is the Sales School leader for Blue Bird, and he did not express a positive impression in the least.
Were you on the design team for the C2? |
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Isellbuses
Top Member
Canada
828 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 1:24:32 PM
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Originally posted by IHAVEABRAIN
You know you could be right. I know that all of the clapping and applause from the crowd at the Thomas reveal was nothing compared to the complete and utter silence when IC revealed their new bus. Oh I know they were speechless. I know that everyone in attendance from my shop said what changed and went back to the Thomas booth to stand in line.
I was at the IC launch at Salt Lake and there was a great deal of excitement and applause. I think it was the first time I can remember a convention where two products were launched at the same show. As I recall the Thomas reps clapped for the C2 and the IC reps clapped for the CE. I don't recall an applause metre being present. |
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sbfreader
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 1:44:49 PM
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I was also at the NAPT in Salt Lake and the Blue Bird personnel including engineers and sales personnel were not impressed with the C2. On the contrary, I had a lengthy conversation with Jay Mcduffy, Jay is the Sales School leader for Blue Bird, and he did not express a positive impression in the least.
What'd you expect him to say? "Oh my god!!! We're in deep trouble!!I'm out of a job in 6 months!!!" 
I'm sure most competitors whether they are IC, Blue Bird, or Thomas will play it pretty close to the vest with regards to what they think about the competition. 
Is Sales School Leader a job title? Just curious. |
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thomas86_a
Top Member
USA
4413 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 6:09:20 PM
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| Excuse me for laughing at your post Isellbuses, but maybe the Blue Bird reps were in shock because they may actually have to do something with their 1970 model buses. |
If you have an International, you NEED customer service. |
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1983WardFord
Top Member
USA
1395 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2003 : 08:13:47 AM
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| Thomas reps in Ohio: I'm STILL curious as to how this bus got by Ohio's specs without having 3 inches of black around the warning lights. |
Due to the current economic condition, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice. |
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C24U
Advanced Member
United States
220 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2003 : 10:43:31 AM
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Ryan,
The 3 inches as currently on the FS-65 wraps around the top of the bulkhead to achieve the full 3 inches. The measurement is not 3" vertically. The three inches below goes down to the windshield on an FS-65. The C2 has less of a space between the bulkhead (if you can still call it a bulkhead) and the windshield. There would just have to be black between the lights and the windshield. Although there may be some debate as to the merits of the "black eyes" in the first place. Sealed beam headlights and old style bulbs are a thing of the past, and maybe so should be the 3" black paint. |
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1983WardFord
Top Member
USA
1395 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2003 : 9:11:20 PM
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I agree with you that the black paint thing should go. I mean, the Blue Bird buses had less than that around the lights and they were still fairly easy to see (at least in my opinion). I guess we'll see when they're out in full production what stupid ideas the state comes up with. Thank you for answering my question  |
Due to the current economic condition, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice. |
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