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BlueRidge Boy2014
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Posted - 11/06/2013 :  12:14:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit BlueRidge Boy2014's Homepage  Reply with Quote
First of all, safety should be everyone's top priority.

The seats on the 2008 Thomas Pushers (HDX/ER) in SC are so stupidly high. The driver from his/her mirror CANNOT see students. Higher seats do not pose as a safer ride to me, especially when you cannot see what your students are doing.

When you can see everyone, you're good. The likelihood of HIGHer seats saving a life, is probably very low.

The newest C2's also have them.

Is this from the manufacturer? Or State spec'd?

buster133
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USA
401 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2013 :  2:38:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I remember it right FMVSS require that all school buses built after Oct 21st 2009 have high back seats as standard but before this they were required in certain states and optional in others.

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bwest
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United States
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Posted - 11/07/2013 :  11:24:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They are called New York/ Illinois high back for a reason. They were adopted in those states first. Now, all things being equal, these seats have been proven to "save" lives. The only way we're going back to a lower seat is if seat belts are mandated and they can show/ prove that the high back is no longer needed. Your first line is key. However, I do agree they are a bear when dealing with discipline. No way we'll be going back in my working career (20-25 yrs left).

Bryan
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 11/19/2013 :  12:57:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As mentioned, the higher seats are now a federal standard.

Crash tests and crash investigations have shown that taller students tended to move forward and upward during a heavy frontal collision, and pivot over the top of the lower seatbacks. This defeated compartmentalization. NYHB seating lessens this pivoting.

We have had them in Ohio on all buses built since 1-1-90. Believe me, in a few years nobody will even notice anymore.
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bwest
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Posted - 11/19/2013 :  04:30:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, the drivers will notice. I have drivers that have no idea that there have ever been shorter seats that wonder why there are such things, because of discipline problems.

Bryan
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