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leftlanewannabe
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Posted - 12/22/2003 :  09:22:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
jk are you 240 years old? if not then accurate history depends on which books you read or believe. the only opinion i expressed was that roy put himself above the law he was appointed to uphold. the rest is from books i read and believed. you know i must not be the only one who feels this way either as roy is currently an ex cheif justice. i will now express another opinion though, he should have known better in the first place.
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JK
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Posted - 12/22/2003 :  10:04:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit JK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leftlanewannabe

jk are you 240 years old? if not then accurate history depends on which books you read or believe. the only opinion i expressed was that roy put himself above the law he was appointed to uphold.


Not convinced Moore placed himself or the monument above the law, certainly not above the people who elected him. He was elected by an overwhelmingly majority and part of his promise was to place the monument in the court house.

Tinkering with the constitution was an act the federal courts committed and exactly what the framers prohibited. George Washington warned about special interests and the horrific damage they could do to this nation in his farewell speech. Washington's speech is also readily available.

For this reason, who is it that has placed themselves above the constitution?

Yes, of course, accurate history depends on where you look, and sometimes what is decided to believe in advance of looking. The reason the religious fled England is no mystery, even in some public school elementary history classes. And what the Feds have been doing these past fifty or so years, concerning religion, is what was of the greatest concerns to the founders back when the constitution was put together. No mystery there either, no secret document hidden somewhere in time.

Washington DC, all by itself, is filled to the brim with thousands upon thousands of public Christian monuments, statutes, moldings, artifacts, documents, all making it clear enough what religious faith dominated the communities in this nations beginnings and onward.

I'm, simply acknowledging that fact, based on the abundance of documentation available, that the Christian God and Christianity has a place of honor in American History, specific to the founding, growth and success of this nation, separate from other alleged deities and religions from other countries proudly promoted as their deity and their religion in their countries.

And, again, where is the citizens of Alabama's majority voters objection toward Moore's monument? And again, where is Alabama's voters majority objection to celebrated religous holidays or other events that remain for civil acknowledgement and celebration in public and in our public schools?

There are no majority objections are there? So what's up with that?

And what is the Greek god Themis doing mounted on the federal court house that tossed out the 10 commandments statue from a state court house? (jk)

Edited by - JK on 12/22/2003 10:20:43 AM
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rswboe
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Posted - 12/22/2003 :  10:45:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Moore's Ten Commandments? I didn't know he wrote them. Guy looks good for his age.

Live each like it's going to be your last, one day you'll be right!
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leftlanewannabe
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Posted - 12/22/2003 :  11:43:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[jk said;
Not convinced Moore placed himself or the monument above the law, certainly not above the people who elected him. He was elected by an overwhelmingly majority and part of his promise was to place the monument in the court house.

not sure where you get this stuff but roy was appointed to the Alabama Supreme Court, not elected.
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JK
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Posted - 12/23/2003 :  06:57:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit JK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leftlanewannabe

[jk said;
Not convinced Moore placed himself or the monument above the law, certainly not above the people who elected him. He was elected by an overwhelmingly majority and part of his promise was to place the monument in the court house.

not sure where you get this stuff but roy was appointed to the Alabama Supreme Court, not elected.



Yes, elected to the Supreme Court, and elected along the way by the many. Interesting. Are you saying the only way he could be gotten rid of was for him to be elected to a position by the few, then attacked by the few? (jk)

Chief Justice Roy Moore

Vote.com Poll: Was it right to remove Justice Moore?

Yes (2,597) (23%) Moore placed his personal beliefs above the law by deliberately defying a court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from a state courthouse

No (8,676) (77%) Much of the American government and legal system is founded in the Judeo-Christian tradition. Kudos to Moore for standing on his principles

New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order

Poll: 77% in state back Moore on monument

(Gov) Riley Trails (Chief Justice) Moore, Siegelman In New Poll (AL Governor)


Edited by - JK on 12/23/2003 07:50:07 AM
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JK
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Posted - 01/05/2004 :  07:32:58 AM  Show Profile  Visit JK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Judges Excused in Ten Commandments Appeal

By BOB JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer

Dec 17 2003
NEWSDAY
MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- Two of the seven retired judges selected to hear Roy Moore's appeal of his ouster as chief justice have asked to be excused from the case, a day after the entire Supreme Court disqualified itself from the dispute over his Ten Commandments display.

The seven replacement judges had been selected in a random lottery Monday, and two asked to be excused, one citing past connections with the Court of the Judiciary, the ethics panel that ousted Moore. They will be replaced by alternates.

Moore was ousted Nov. 13 for refusing to obey a federal judge's order to remove his 5,300-pound Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the state judicial building.

The eight remaining state Supreme Court justices disqualified themselves Monday because of their earlier involvement in the dispute. In August, they had ordered the monument moved to a storage room.

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Court Stays Out of Ten Commandments Fight

By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer

Nov 3 2003

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court steered clear of a contentious religious dispute on Monday, ending the legal fight of a judge who wanted to put a 2 1/2-ton granite Ten Commandments monument back on display in an Alabama courthouse.

The defeat for suspended Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore was expected.

The court has already taken on one divisive case about government and religion, a challenge to the phrase "one nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Moore said he would go state-to-state to keep alive his political crusade for the Ten Commandments, even though justices rejected his final appeals without comment.

Lower federal courts had ruled that Moore violated the Constitution's ban on government promotion of religion when he placed the monument in the rotunda of the state Judicial Building in the middle of the night two years ago. The display was moved this summer over Moore's objections.

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JK
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Posted - 01/18/2004 :  11:52:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit JK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There seems no end to early U.S. history quote's that can be found, concerning God and religion in these United States and included in our early public schools studies. Noah Webster (click Here) presented views that today would bring guaranteed protests against him and his dictionaries from ACLU activists.

Noah Webster in 1832: "When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes; Corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the Laws."

Where was it taught in public schools that Webster was so insistant on religion included in our public schools education process? Education is useless without the Bible; Noah Webster, - Harvard University, 1642: "Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well: the main end of life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life."


The Nineteenth Century in Print: Periodicals: The New-England magazine; Volume 3, Issue 4, Oct 1832: "The multiplicity of school-books is a nuisance that ought to be removed by state or national authority. When children had no books in school but Websters spelling-book and the Bible, the art of reading was of very easy attainment, and might be learned in six months or a year. Now, when there are almost as many different books to teach the elements of a common English education, as there are combinations of letters in the alphabet, six years will hardly suffice to make a tolerable reader of a child of even more than ordinary quickness of intellect."

Camp Internet Homeschool, Santa Barbara, Calif: A Short Summary of Noah Webster's Life.

Blue-Backed Speller by Noah Webster - a facsimile of the original -- $5.95 (+ Shipping) available from the Noah Webster House Museum Shop


Edited by - JK on 01/18/2004 1:48:04 PM
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kd4jfd
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Posted - 11/14/2007 :  8:40:29 PM  Show Profile  Click to see kd4jfd's MSN Messenger address  Send kd4jfd a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
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I sent the following E-mail (Got form letter response):




Dear Mr. President,

I would like to take a moment to address my concerns about what I concider to be 2 Constitutiional Violations by the federal judge in the above referenced situation.

I have been following the disaster on the Channel One News at school, and in the Athens Banner-Herald. If what has been reported is correct, then Justice Moore has been punished for upholding the laws of this country. I believe that his right of free speech, and his religious rights have been violated. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of the laws of this country. While the Founding Fathers may not have necessarily had a deep an abiding Faith in the Christian Beliefs, they did support the creed. As you know, the purpose of the seperation of church and state was not to keep the church from the government, but to keep the government from establishing a state religion, as the Anglican Church of England.

I strongly urge you to have the Supreme Court Justices review this case, reinstate Justice Moore, and replace the Ten Commandments back where they belong, in public view.


Sincerely,

Bruce D. Cram
Educator, School Bus Driver, Retired Veteran, and Concerned Citizen

I believe the web address was

www.whitehouse.gov



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Gini
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  4:15:53 PM  Show Profile  Send Gini an AOL message  Reply with Quote
DID YOU KNOW? As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view .. it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!




..
DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.



DID YOU KNOW?


As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments!




DID YOU KNOW?





There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C .
DID YOU KNOW?



James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
DID YOU KNOW?



Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
DID YOU KNOW?


Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
DID YOU KNOW?



Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law . an oligarchy
the rule of few over many.
DID YOU KNOW?


The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:


"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

Lets put it around the world and let the world see and remember what this great country was built on.


Chamber , US House of Representatives
I was asked to send this on if I agreed or delete if I didn't.
Now it is your turn...
It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, it is very hard to understand why there is such a mess about having the Ten Commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the other 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!!




for all of you of other faiths, remember, it is only because of this country's Christian founding that you have the right to worship as you choose!

1Peter 1:3
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