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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 08:08:51 AM
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Does anyone know of someone wanting used Maxxforce DT buses? Might consider selling ours outright if the price is right. Still getting options. |
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Thomasbus24
Administrator
USA
4544 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 08:11:37 AM
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I have a few guys I don't like, I'll see if they are interested! I would think you'd get at least some decent trade-in value for them being less than 10 years old. Decent, not good. |
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flint1
Senior Member
Canada
74 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 09:49:49 AM
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I feel the same way. Doing an inframe on my 2008 maxxforce dt. 280km (175m) Dog bone broke. Wasted the cam, metal everywhere. Another larger contractor around here just rounded up all his Ics, maxx7 and dts. Straight to the auction. Replaced with new BB gassers. The amount of public and private money being spent on keeping the modern diesel engine running is very concerning to me as a taxpayer and business owner. Cummins is not immune either. Rant over. Back to cleaning filings from oil passages. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 10:31:32 AM
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quote: Originally posted by flint1
I feel the same way. Doing an inframe on my 2008 maxxforce dt. 280km (175m) Dog bone broke. Wasted the cam, metal everywhere. Another larger contractor around here just rounded up all his Ics, maxx7 and dts. Straight to the auction. Replaced with new BB gassers. The amount of public and private money being spent on keeping the modern diesel engine running is very concerning to me as a taxpayer and business owner. Cummins is not immune either. Rant over. Back to cleaning filings from oil passages.
Well, guys, I seriously thought there would be someone partial to them. lol, There sure is a lot of talk from some on here how great they are or how you just have to treat them right. I'm thinking they want a good deal. |
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jeeptjken
Senior Member
147 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 10:39:07 AM
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most troublesome units we own pure money pits we just scrapped a 2011 its just too costly to keep them on the road unleaded gas units are the way to go for our location |
How did you get the gosinta in the whatchamacallit |
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Sherm
Top Member
USA
621 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 10:44:23 AM
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Buried buses make great storm shelters! Since they're always sitting anyway, put them to good use! Perhaps you could sell them that way... |
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Thomasbus24
Administrator
USA
4544 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 11:01:06 AM
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I think we are looking at this the wrong way. These have potential to be a very valuable asset to a tech school/JVS or the like. The students could get lots of practice working on them, rebuilding them, going on road service calls.
Place a govdeals or publicsurplus ad: "Diesel tech school training aides, $75,000 each. Volume discounts available!" |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 11:23:55 AM
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^^ That there's funny, I don't care who you are! |
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krmvcs
Advanced Member
362 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 11:25:54 AM
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You could push them over on their sides and use them for bus evacuation training. Or how about the local fire department? Maybe theyd like to set one on fire for their training. Im sure many on this forum that have had the privilege of fixing them would love to see that. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 11:52:42 AM
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LOL, all funny! However, I am being serious here. I am not sure what my board is going to want to do here so I'm trying to get some options. The trade in value for these are quite depressing! |
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bestguessrepairs
Active Member
24 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 12:24:39 PM
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Boat Anchors on the new Chinese air craft carrier. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 12:32:54 PM
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This is what I'm talking about. V V Brad, do you know anyone that has the same view as you do?
Brian, I am sorry to hear you have had so much trouble with these engines. I have personally come to like them. Maybe that seems odd to most of you but in reality what it boils down to is gaining a full understanding of the engine. I, like you, tend to dislike those things that I do not fully understand. We see many more issues with our Cummins engines than we do with our MF Dt’s (23). I know you are an experienced mechanic and perhaps this is why your comments are so troubling to me. My recommendation is to access all of the service literature on the engine and after treatment system and familiarize yourself with the systems. Also, read up on the various TSB’s on the engine in the webpage. If you have specific issues with them, I can possibly help since I am diamond certified through international on that engine and worked for a time as a customer service technician. Best regards, Brad Brad A. Barker |
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RonF
Top Member
867 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2018 : 12:45:12 PM
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quote: Originally posted by bwest
This is what I'm talking about. V V Brad, do you know anyone that has the same view as you do?
Brian, I am sorry to hear you have had so much trouble with these engines. I have personally come to like them. Maybe that seems odd to most of you but in reality what it boils down to is gaining a full understanding of the engine. I, like you, tend to dislike those things that I do not fully understand. We see many more issues with our Cummins engines than we do with our MF Dt’s (23). I know you are an experienced mechanic and perhaps this is why your comments are so troubling to me. My recommendation is to access all of the service literature on the engine and after treatment system and familiarize yourself with the systems. Also, read up on the various TSB’s on the engine in the webpage. If you have specific issues with them, I can possibly help since I am diamond certified through international on that engine and worked for a time as a customer service technician. Best regards, Brad Brad A. Barker
Sounds like a typical International answer. |
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jeeptjken
Senior Member
147 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2018 : 03:41:10 AM
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we are down to just 2 of those and those 2 cant leave here fast enough our district cant set enough money aside to keep these on the road they are 3 to 5 times the money per school year to keep on the road there is no like about these and they have little to no trade value |
How did you get the gosinta in the whatchamacallit |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2018 : 05:27:24 AM
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quote: Originally posted by jeeptjken
we are down to just 2 of those and those 2 cant leave here fast enough our district cant set enough money aside to keep these on the road they are 3 to 5 times the money per school year to keep on the road there is no like about these and they have little to no trade value
You know, we used to talk about the VT and Maxx7 like that-- but people were ok with these DTs. So, as time went by people have soured on these too? I was just hoping it was only me and a couple others who don't care for these. I would like to get better money out of these than what my dealer is talking on trade. Of course, all this talk may be for not if my board sees things a different way. For the most part we have good community members on our board but they can see things differently than the guy who has to deal with this equipment everyday. |
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RonF
Top Member
867 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2018 : 07:21:17 AM
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quote: Originally posted by bwest
quote: Originally posted by jeeptjken
we are down to just 2 of those and those 2 cant leave here fast enough our district cant set enough money aside to keep these on the road they are 3 to 5 times the money per school year to keep on the road there is no like about these and they have little to no trade value
You know, we used to talk about the VT and Maxx7 like that-- but people were ok with these DTs. So, as time went by people have soured on these too? I was just hoping it was only me and a couple others who don't care for these. I would like to get better money out of these than what my dealer is talking on trade. Of course, all this talk may be for not if my board sees things a different way. For the most part we have good community members on our board but they can see things differently than the guy who has to deal with this equipment everyday.
Talk dollars and cents to them. It worked for me. We have 5 MaxxFarce DT's that go out of warranty in November. So far under warranty they all have had thousands, if not 10's of thousands of dollars in repairs. Many repairs being repeat. |
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drp53188
Senior Member
89 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2018 : 10:20:22 AM
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i`m with Brad , I have Maxx DTs Maxx 7 365s and have more problems with cummins than anything else. As i have said before understanding systems is key to any diagnostics no matter what your working on. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2018 : 10:37:02 AM
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quote: Originally posted by drp53188
i`m with Brad , I have Maxx DTs Maxx 7 365s and have more problems with cummins than anything else. As i have said before understanding systems is key to any diagnostics no matter what your working on.
You want a couple more? |
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slippert
Top Member
USA
630 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2018 : 04:34:59 AM
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There are companies/individuals that buy old buses and ship them to Mexico or South America and where ever?...I think they use them for public transportation down there... must be good rate of profit in it, as they will usually pay decent money at the bus actions for them... maybe that's a viable option,lol... get them completely out of the country!... |
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Miles O Roads
New Member
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2018 : 5:00:37 PM
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Is there anyone with back row specials that are blown up? Needing parts and seems everyone got a bad one at there districts. |
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td083
Senior Member
195 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2018 : 02:42:28 AM
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I think some miss the point , having to constantly diagnose regardless of your expertise on a given bus is the issue .it seems some feel just because they can repair a bus quicker it somehow makes it reliable even given the fact they may frequent the repair bay for multiple breakdowns , repairs regardless of what was done last time at the shop. There were plenty of Master Yugo mechanics at one point ..but regardless they were still junk . |
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drp53188
Senior Member
89 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2018 : 10:22:55 AM
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PM me and let me know what your specs are , sometimes it`s not cost effective if i have to change seat spacing and things like that.quote: Originally posted by slippert
There are companies/individuals that buy old buses and ship them to Mexico or South America and where ever?...I think they use them for public transportation down there... must be good rate of profit in it, as they will usually pay decent money at the bus actions for them... maybe that's a viable option,lol... get them completely out of the country!...
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drp53188
Senior Member
89 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2018 : 10:28:37 AM
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Sorry reply`d to the wrong quote. Brian PM me and we can talk. quote: Originally posted by bwest
quote: Originally posted by drp53188
i`m with Brad , I have Maxx DTs Maxx 7 365s and have more problems with cummins than anything else. As i have said before understanding systems is key to any diagnostics no matter what your working on.
You want a couple more?
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2018 : 11:37:38 AM
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quote: Originally posted by td083
I think some miss the point , having to constantly diagnose regardless of your expertise on a given bus is the issue .it seems some feel just because they can repair a bus quicker it somehow makes it reliable even given the fact they may frequent the repair bay for multiple breakdowns , repairs regardless of what was done last time at the shop. There were plenty of Master Yugo mechanics at one point ..but regardless they were still junk .
I wouldn't call them a Yugo. lol |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2018 : 11:38:13 AM
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quote: Originally posted by drp53188
Sorry reply`d to the wrong quote. Brian PM me and we can talk. quote: Originally posted by bwest
quote: Originally posted by drp53188
i`m with Brad , I have Maxx DTs Maxx 7 365s and have more problems with cummins than anything else. As i have said before understanding systems is key to any diagnostics no matter what your working on.
You want a couple more?
I just shot you a message. |
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