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second.flood
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JoeHEB1
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 Posted - 12/15/2017 : 07:54:01 AM
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| I wonder if the snow on the ground had anything to do with it downshifting weird? I can't wait for them to bring us one for demo. I'm gonna push hard to get these in our fleet. Sick of the problems with these DPF DEF crap. |
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second.flood
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 08:29:02 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
I wonder if the snow on the ground had anything to do with it downshifting weird? I can't wait for them to bring us one for demo. I'm gonna push hard to get these in our fleet. Sick of the problems with these DPF DEF crap.
Likely, bus had traction control. |
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bwest
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 08:45:39 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
I wonder if the snow on the ground had anything to do with it downshifting weird? I can't wait for them to bring us one for demo. I'm gonna push hard to get these in our fleet. Sick of the problems with these DPF DEF crap.
I'm sure one of your dealers would bring you one. What part of the world are you from? |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 08:47:34 AM
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Originally posted by second.flood
Likely, bus had traction control.
Ahhh that could be. Did he say anything about the power, like maybe compered to a Cummins? They're supposded to be scpec'd about the same as far as torque and HP. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 09:05:32 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
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I'm sure one of your dealers would bring you one. What part of the world are you from?
From the great state of Texas, the metroplex area. We're in between directors right now so when the new one is in place I'll call my rep to bring us one out. |
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bwest
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United States
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 09:18:13 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
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Originally posted by bwest
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I'm sure one of your dealers would bring you one. What part of the world are you from?
From the great state of Texas, the metroplex area. We're in between directors right now so when the new one is in place I'll call my rep to bring us one out.
You have some pretty good incentives to go propane down there. I actually called Denton ISD and talked to the TD before we bought ours. |
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Ryan5r
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USA
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 09:44:26 AM
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| I drove the bus he's talking about. It had good power but had a 5.57 gear like our diesels come with. They recommend a 6 something gear for the gas. I was going 55 and had to slow to about 40. When i tried to take off again it wouldn't downshift even at wot. It could've been a gear issue but it took forever to get back to 55. The 8.8 looked a lot easier to remove the exhaust manifolds than the v-10 but the power seemed about the same. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 10:36:13 AM
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Originally posted by bwest
You have some pretty good incentives to go propane down there. I actually called Denton ISD and talked to the TD before we bought ours.
I might run that by the new director to. Propane is cheaper per mile I hear. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 10:48:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ryan5r
I drove the bus he's talking about. It had good power but had a 5.57 gear like our diesels come with. They recommend a 6 something gear for the gas. I was going 55 and had to slow to about 40. When i tried to take off again it wouldn't downshift even at wot. It could've been a gear issue but it took forever to get back to 55. The 8.8 looked a lot easier to remove the exhaust manifolds than the v-10 but the power seemed about the same.
That or maybe they need to tweak the programmimg on the TCM a little. You say the power is the same as the V10 or the diesel? I know the V10 has to ramp up on the RPM's to get any power out of it. |
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second.flood
Top Member
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 11:12:50 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
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Originally posted by Ryan5r
I drove the bus he's talking about. It had good power but had a 5.57 gear like our diesels come with. They recommend a 6 something gear for the gas. I was going 55 and had to slow to about 40. When i tried to take off again it wouldn't downshift even at wot. It could've been a gear issue but it took forever to get back to 55. The 8.8 looked a lot easier to remove the exhaust manifolds than the v-10 but the power seemed about the same.
That or maybe they need to tweak the programmimg on the TCM a little. You say the power is the same as the V10 or the diesel? I know the V10 has to ramp up on the RPM's to get any power out of it.
I drove the bus and it performed just like a Cummins in town. I did not take it on the highway.
I would buy it. |
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Ryan5r
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 11:15:15 AM
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| I think both gassers drive the same. The power is comparable to the ISB on both. There might be a few hundred rpms different at the shift points on the 8.8 but their pretty close. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 11:19:10 AM
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Originally posted by second.flood
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
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Originally posted by Ryan5r
I drove the bus he's talking about. It had good power but had a 5.57 gear like our diesels come with. They recommend a 6 something gear for the gas. I was going 55 and had to slow to about 40. When i tried to take off again it wouldn't downshift even at wot. It could've been a gear issue but it took forever to get back to 55. The 8.8 looked a lot easier to remove the exhaust manifolds than the v-10 but the power seemed about the same.
That or maybe they need to tweak the programmimg on the TCM a little. You say the power is the same as the V10 or the diesel? I know the V10 has to ramp up on the RPM's to get any power out of it.
I drove the bus and it performed just like a Cummins in town. I did not take it on the highway.
I would buy it.
Exactly what I was hoping to hear. Thanks. |
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 12:35:23 PM
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| Ah....look at that new/old style master cylinder!!!! I know some of y'all like your hydraulic brakes, which is fine, but that system they used for the last ten or so years just looked like trouble to me. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 1:23:07 PM
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Ah....look at that new/old style master cylinder!!!! I know some of y'all like your hydraulic brakes, which is fine, but that system they used for the last ten or so years just looked like trouble to me.
Wait! What??? How does that work with an air compressor and a master cylinder? What the what??? I didn't notice that till you pointed it out. Can someone explain this? |
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krmvcs
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 1:28:56 PM
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Ryan5r
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 2:07:02 PM
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| It had hydraulic brakes with emergency cables similar to a car for the parking brake. It didn't look the ideal setup for the parking brake. I think he said it was built with Ill. specs. |
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Thomasbus24
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USA
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 3:41:53 PM
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| I'd guess air ride, door, seat, sign, etc, so the compressor. |
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flint1
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Posted - 12/15/2017 : 3:45:19 PM
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| I drove the same bus 2 months ago. I dig it. Back to hydromax brakes. As a small contractor my next bus will be the 8.8. I'm the proud (!) Owner of a maxxforce dt that eats me out of house and home at times it sure looks good. Even the contractors that have mostly cummins isb are suffering as they age, they don't run on unicorn farts either. |
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second.flood
Top Member
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Posted - 12/16/2017 : 03:26:26 AM
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I hated the brakes. I'd go air for sure.
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 04:14:08 AM
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| I'm just used to seeing one or the other never both. If you had hydraulic brakes then you had a manual door, hand pump seat and electric sign. Wish manual doors were standard again, life would be so much better. |
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 04:18:24 AM
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| I do believe the manual door is still standard on the CE. Not sure about the Vision. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 04:24:19 AM
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| I've heard it cost more to order a BB with a manual door. That's crazy. Not sure about IC. |
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second.flood
Top Member
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 04:43:04 AM
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This bus had an electric door.
Specs were for Illinois. |
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bwest
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United States
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 05:37:45 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
I'm just used to seeing one or the other never both. If you had hydraulic brakes then you had a manual door, hand pump seat and electric sign. Wish manual doors were standard again, life would be so much better.
Yeah, I'm afraid we're going to see an electric door as a contributing factor in the Iowa tragedy we just saw. I am no fan of electric doors. It just doesn't make good sense to me. Oh, I also had two ICs with a air compressor because I ordered an air seat. Crazy I know but that's the reason it was on there. No air seats for me any more either. Seat Inc is the way to go! An air seat bounces the driver through the ceiling on our country roads. The one air seat I have left the lady has it aired up tight so to effectively delete the air seat. |
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 05:43:45 AM
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Air door is non-negotiable for me. Too many "WORKER'S COMP!" types here. I'm sure sooner or later they will start in with how the switch hurt them.
Gotta be sure your drivers are integrating instructions on how to release the power doors when they do student emergency training. I've said it before, from watching the video of my bus that rolled over, the kids DO listen when we train them. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 06:17:50 AM
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Originally posted by Thomasbus24
Air door is non-negotiable for me. Too many "WORKER'S COMP!" types here. I'm sure sooner or later they will start in with how the switch hurt them.
Gotta be sure your drivers are integrating instructions on how to release the power doors when they do student emergency training. I've said it before, from watching the video of my bus that rolled over, the kids DO listen when we train them.
Our students exit the bus evacuation style everytime they arrive at the school. And they all know where the door release switch is located. State law also requires 2 mandatory evac training per year for all students.
You nailed it about the workmans comp comment. All they need is a doctor to say "Yep the door switch is causing the pain". |
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bwest
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 06:37:56 AM
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Originally posted by Thomasbus24
Air door is non-negotiable for me. Too many "WORKER'S COMP!" types here. I'm sure sooner or later they will start in with how the switch hurt them.
Gotta be sure your drivers are integrating instructions on how to release the power doors when they do student emergency training. I've said it before, from watching the video of my bus that rolled over, the kids DO listen when we train them.
Thanks for that reminder! I just texted the two drivers I have that have the IC electric doors, to remind them to teach their kids how to operate they doors in the event of an emergency. |
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ICBUS07-30
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2017 : 6:28:35 PM
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| Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 12/19/2017 : 04:15:04 AM
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out.
Cutting on the spring puts all the liability on you guys. |
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bwest
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Posted - 12/19/2017 : 05:37:24 AM
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Originally posted by JoeHEB1
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out.
Cutting on the spring puts all the liability on you guys.
Man, our emojis are lacking. I'm looking for the one with the big bug eyes! Cutting on a leaf spring?! Uh, big no no. |
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RonF
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Posted - 12/19/2017 : 08:26:38 AM
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out.
Are you talking front or rear? I would question IC's design and have IC come and look at this before I would cut on a leaf spring. In no way shape or form is this standard maintenance practices. If so IC would have to put that in writing. |
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ICBUS07-30
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/19/2017 : 1:58:11 PM
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The rear drivers side. It held up well until about four years ago when the 90 degree bend broke off and put new springs on. Lucky for us it went to scrap last year so now we don't have to worry.
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Originally posted by RonF
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out.
Are you talking front or rear? I would question IC's design and have IC come and look at this before I would cut on a leaf spring. In no way shape or form is this standard maintenance practices. If so IC would have to put that in writing.
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drp53188
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/20/2017 : 10:11:10 AM
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That wont pass inspection !!!!
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
The rear drivers side. It held up well until about four years ago when the 90 degree bend broke off and put new springs on. Lucky for us it went to scrap last year so now we don't have to worry.
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Originally posted by RonF
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Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
Our old lift bus a 2004 IC had hydraulic brakes that had an air compressor for the air seat, ride, and door. The air ride and hydraulic brakes were the Dumbest combination I have ever seen. We had to cut a notch in the leaf spring in order to get the top caliper bolt out.
Are you talking front or rear? I would question IC's design and have IC come and look at this before I would cut on a leaf spring. In no way shape or form is this standard maintenance practices. If so IC would have to put that in writing.
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ICBUS07-30
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/20/2017 : 4:11:23 PM
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Originally posted by drp53188
That wont pass inspection !!!!
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It passed all inspections from 2004 until it was retired two years ago! |
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drp53188
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Posted - 12/21/2017 : 10:16:06 AM
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Glad that inspectors not inspecting my busesquote:
Originally posted by ICBUS07-30
[quote]Originally posted by drp53188
That wont pass inspection !!!!
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It passed all inspections from 2004 until it was retired two years ago!
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