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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  09:08:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
99 BLUEBIRD 77 PASS . PP1 PUSHED IN DRAIN SECONDARY APPLY PEDAL PRIMARY DROPS AND SECONDARY FILLS UP, BUS NOT RUNNING FRUSTRATED AND NEED ADVICE. FIRST THOUGHT WAS DOUBLE CHECK VALVE,REPLACED IT SAME ISSUE

Edited by - berkeleydude on 02/08/2017 10:27:00 AM

krmvcs
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  10:59:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Treadle or SR-1 valve? Does it do this on the other tank as well?

-Ken-

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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  11:00:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ONLY DOES IT ON ONE TANK
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krmvcs
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  11:24:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well theres only so many ways for air to get back to an empty tank. if the SR-1 valve works as it should then it looks like youre gonna have to start removing hoses until you find your problem. AND STOP YELLING!!!
:)

-Ken-
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  12:41:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
didnt notice caps lock was on, my bad. thanks for the advice
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40ngone
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USA
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  2:23:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am going to ask what may seem to be an obvious question, but I have to ask. When you say secondary and primary, you are meaning secondary is the front, primary is the rear, correct? Again, I don't mean to offend, but have seen much misunderstanding.
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/09/2017 :  06:07:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes, meaning secondary is front and primary is rear. this shop does not have ANY reference material whatsoever.... i guess we are supposed to commit every system/subsystem to memory for every vehicle in the fleet

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40ngone
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USA
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Posted - 02/09/2017 :  08:57:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has this bus had any recent components changed in the air system that could of possibly been installed wrong??
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/09/2017 :  09:11:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
no new components, just all of a sudden. driver reported issue during pre-trip splitting tanks
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/10/2017 :  2:17:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
for kicks i replaced every check valve at every tank, still same issue how is this possible?

Edited by - berkeleydude on 02/10/2017 2:21:21 PM
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krmvcs
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Posted - 02/10/2017 :  3:24:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You shouldnt have check valves on the tank outlets. And this problem of yours is likely an internal leak in one of the valves. On the generic split system diagram the only 2 possibilities are the treadle and the SR-2. The other one that comes to mind if you have it, might be the anti compound check valve on the rear relay valve.

-Ken-
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/10/2017 :  5:12:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i will crack lines and see whats going on. thanks
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BJ Henderson
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Posted - 02/13/2017 :  10:06:33 PM  Show Profile  Send BJ Henderson an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Treadle valve is most likely problem. If the driver is doing a leakdown test and this is happening. Unless it has a straight truck valve on it.

Disconnect lines from treadle valve while duplicating problem.

CMTT,CMAT,CMBT
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40ngone
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Posted - 02/14/2017 :  08:28:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Berkeleydude, Are you saying that the primary and secondary are trying to equalize? When brake is applied in description, are any of the brake being applied at the wheels, or attempting to?
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/16/2017 :  09:02:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
replaced treadle valve, same issue....
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Originally posted by BJ Henderson

Treadle valve is most likely problem. If the driver is doing a leakdown test and this is happening. Unless it has a straight truck valve on it.

Disconnect lines from treadle valve while duplicating problem.

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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/16/2017 :  10:00:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
maybe some fire will fix this thing.....jk
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40ngone
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Posted - 02/16/2017 :  1:29:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My thoughts are that two lines have been installed in the wrong location. I don't see this happening through any normal part failure. It would be a rare situation. I would start running down the air lines one at a time to verify that they are in the correct locations.
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BJ Henderson
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Posted - 02/18/2017 :  09:12:52 AM  Show Profile  Send BJ Henderson an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Did you disconnect lines from the brake side of the treadle valve while duplicating problem? If you did not, you did not check to see if back pressure is feeding from a valve somewhere. Good thing to check also is what someone else said, see if some lines are crossed. If the problem has not changed from the original complaint, you have not had any change whatsoever in the defect? https://www.google.com/search?q=bendix+air+brakes+troubleshooting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Here, download this, it might be of help to you in the future.

CMTT,CMAT,CMBT
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BJ Henderson
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USA
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Posted - 02/18/2017 :  09:17:40 AM  Show Profile  Send BJ Henderson an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah, come back and post what you find when you locate the problem. The only way this works good is sharing knowledge.

CMTT,CMAT,CMBT
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berkeleydude
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Posted - 02/22/2017 :  08:52:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
a tear in a $1.00 oring on the R12 valve was the culprit. thanks for all the advice
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