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aaronwilmoth80911
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Posted - 02/17/2017 :  10:06:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit aaronwilmoth80911's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So earlier this week, we had a 2007 EPA Maxxforce DT that had big problems. Bent push rod, valve stuck in head, and more than likely some lower end damage as well. Navistar is saying we can not get a reman that it has to be rebuilt. I've seen on this forum about swapping a Maxxforce 7 for a Cummins, but is it being done with the DTs also? It would seem to make sense to do it this way because as everyone knows, DTs are problematic and the bus will be in service for another 10-15 years. Any input would be great. Thanks!

Fastback
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Posted - 02/17/2017 :  11:23:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Contact your area Cummins dealer.

Offer to repower 07 emission Maxxforce 7 equipped buses is only through the end of 2017.

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback

Edited by - Fastback on 02/17/2017 11:24:30 AM
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  05:21:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit JoeHEB1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I got a quote from International for a repower from a Maxx7 to a Cummins and they can do it for a mere $37K. I called Cummins and asked them about it and they told me they never heard of such a thing.
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Fastback
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  09:07:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JoeHEB1

I got a quote from International for a repower from a Maxx7 to a Cummins and they can do it for a mere $37K. I called Cummins and asked them about it and they told me they never heard of such a thing.



What hadn't Cummins ever heard of? Repowering from a DT? From a MaxxForce 7?

Our Cummins dealer repowered our MaxxForce 7 bus for under $30k

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  09:21:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit JoeHEB1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah they had no clue what I was talking about. I even told him it talked about it on their website.
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Fastback
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Posted - 02/23/2017 :  09:39:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Last I heard our Cummins dealer had about 300 repowers on the waiting list and one or two techs devoted to doing nothing else.

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback
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aaronwilmoth80911
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Posted - 02/24/2017 :  07:23:04 AM  Show Profile  Visit aaronwilmoth80911's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cummins rep was in the other day and he had info on the Maxxforce7 and VT365 swap, but had nothing on the DT swap. So we'll see what he can drum up for us and hopefully get an answer soon.
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 02/24/2017 :  07:44:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit JoeHEB1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm curious to see what price Cummins can do it for you. I think $37K is pretty steep from International.
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woodster
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Posted - 03/07/2017 :  10:21:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit woodster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
we are doing the repowers for vt 365 we have done 8 buses already the kit comes with everthing
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bwest
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Posted - 03/07/2017 :  12:11:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Add another 10k to it and get a real bus. lol

http://www.midwesttransit.com/auto/used-2013-blue_bird-blue_bird-kankakee-60901-il/16544358/

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Sherm
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Posted - 03/07/2017 :  1:20:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


What he said! /\
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drp53188
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Posted - 03/08/2017 :  10:22:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit drp53188's Homepage  Reply with Quote
DTs are problematic ??? MAX 7 yes but not a DT.
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valleybusman
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Posted - 03/08/2017 :  1:35:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I called cummins about a repower . They called me back thinking I had a VT 365 . I said no a DT 466 . He told me there is no repower for a FE bus and no repower for the DT 466 . Then he said why was because the DT466 is supposed to be a good engine .
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RonF
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Posted - 03/09/2017 :  11:48:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by valleybusman

I called cummins about a repower . They called me back thinking I had a VT 365 . I said no a DT 466 . He told me there is no repower for a FE bus and no repower for the DT 466 . Then he said why was because the DT466 is supposed to be a good engine .



The DT466 is a great motor, however if you are talking a model year 2007 MaxxForce DT, that motor proper name is a MaxxForce DT, 9 or 10. A true DT 466 is all blue motor. 2007-2009 are all black, black valve cover? 2010-Present are black with aluminum valve covers? 2007 and up are referred to as MaxxForce DT 9 or 10 even though the data plate will say MaxxForce DT. So basically a MaxxForce DT, 9 and 10 are the same motor, EGR, different color engine and valve covers, either black or aluminum.

DT466 was ended at the end of 2006. The DT466, MaxxForce DT, 9 and 10 all have the same block.

Confused? Good, now we are all on the same page. hahahaha.

US Army retired CMBT
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valleybusman
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Posted - 03/09/2017 :  11:51:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is a 2005 model
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CISDbusman
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  04:52:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This whole thread makes my brain hurt. Spend 30k+ on a repower?? Sounds like a waste of the tax payers money!! Fix the one thats in it for 5-10k and drive the wheels off of it. Or put that 30k toward a new bus........

I have a verrrrry small budget and watch every penny of it!! Guess those with a 300+ bus fleet will never miss the money.
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  05:16:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit JoeHEB1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CISDbusman

This whole thread makes my brain hurt. Spend 30k+ on a repower?? Sounds like a waste of the tax payers money!! Fix the one thats in it for 5-10k and drive the wheels off of it. Or put that 30k toward a new bus........

I have a verrrrry small budget and watch every penny of it!! Guess those with a 300+ bus fleet will never miss the money.




I'm with you, you can fix it 5 more times for the price of a repower. I know you guys will say "who wants to fix it 5 times". I'd take my chances on going the cheap way out, you may luck out and never have to fix it again, so far I've had good luck on the last Maxx7 we fixed going the cheap route ($5400). I was quoted 37K for a repower from International.
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Fastback
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  05:19:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CISDbusman

This whole thread makes my brain hurt. Spend 30k+ on a repower?? Sounds like a waste of the tax payers money!! Fix the one thats in it for 5-10k and drive the wheels off of it. Or put that 30k toward a new bus........

I have a verrrrry small budget and watch every penny of it!! Guess those with a 300+ bus fleet will never miss the money.



I have a 15 bus fleet and in our case it was either a reman MaxxForce 7 with barely any warranty for $20,000 and stick with no confidence, no resale value and 7.5 mpg. Or for under $30k get a new Cummins with new after-treatment, 5 year 100k warranty, confidence, resale value and 9 mpg.
Another factor for us was that that the 2007 emission Cummins is pretty much problem free in comparison to our 2010 emission Cummins that use DEF.

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback
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RonF
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  12:54:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JoeHEB1

quote:
Originally posted by CISDbusman

This whole thread makes my brain hurt. Spend 30k+ on a repower?? Sounds like a waste of the tax payers money!! Fix the one thats in it for 5-10k and drive the wheels off of it. Or put that 30k toward a new bus........

I have a verrrrry small budget and watch every penny of it!! Guess those with a 300+ bus fleet will never miss the money.




I'm with you, you can fix it 5 more times for the price of a repower. I know you guys will say "who wants to fix it 5 times". I'd take my chances on going the cheap way out, you may luck out and never have to fix it again, so far I've had good luck on the last Maxx7 we fixed going the cheap route ($5400). I was quoted 37K for a repower from International.




We replaced 8 of our VT365's with Reman 365's two years ago but we wanted to scrap the buses and buy new one, that option was voted down. We are now into the "Fix it again phase" 1 oil cooler, 2 fuel pumps, 3 EGR coolers, 2 turbochargers, and 3 injectors. These are not all on the same bus. Money wise so far, this has been cheaper, however we plan to have the bus another 10 years. So which way would have been cheaper?
One factor to consider is down time, how long does it take from fault to finish to fix the bus again? For me and EGR cooler or turbo is about a full week to 10 days. Identify the fault, get price quotes, turn in a Purchase request, (PR) wait for PR number, order the parts, go get the parts, install the pasts, verify it's fixed, return the core.
My budget is low and I'm a one technician shop with a helper so all the other stuff still has to get done. My cost doing and egr cooler on a 365 is about $550. The price is a little higher because I buy from bullet proof diesel. That's the cooler, and intake gasket set. To have it sent out is $1822, parts and labor.

US Army retired CMBT
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woodster
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Posted - 04/28/2017 :  09:04:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit woodster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have 350 buses at my facility,and several different types.average age of fleet 18 yrs. old and every bus is retro fitted with a/c that is about 12 yrs old now and also newer buses with factory. It is a constant battle keeping these vts and maxxforce running.Which in turn has put a load on use with all other repairs The cummins repower is about $27,000 but in my opinion worth every penny. I have 2 of my techs doing all the repowers have done 5 vts and one maxxforce and about the same at our other facility.We can send these buses out of town with out worrying if it will make it to its destination
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Rhale
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Posted - 06/02/2017 :  08:26:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit Rhale's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Has anyone had a RE done? I have 6 of these units and have spent nearly $100,000 in out of warranty repairs, the swap sounds good to me
if available for the RE's. Any info or direction would be greatly appreciated
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