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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  10:13:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have a few bluebird visions 2010 every once in a while when the fuel tank id full and the bus sits it starts to leak out of the little i guess its a vent hose that hangs on the side of tank has anyone come acroos this and what causes this?

aaronwilmoth80911
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  10:25:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit aaronwilmoth80911's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've seen it happen once in awhile from overfilling. They want to squeeze every last drop into it.
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  10:28:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so is that a normal thing i never see the c2s or internationals do that
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aaronwilmoth80911
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  10:48:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit aaronwilmoth80911's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've seen some ICs do it, and older blue birds, but don't recall any other ones. I've mostly seen it when they fill it as full as they possibly can and park on a bit of a slant. Usually don't have a whole lot come out, but enough to notice. I assume that most all tanks are gonna be set up the same way more or less.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  10:55:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Train your drivers "when it clicks off, it's done". Also check the valve that the vent hose connects to. I've had them get gutted internally and puke fuel out on the ground.
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  11:46:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
will check that i am in new jersey we cant pump our own fuel so we are a the mercey the gas station
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  12:08:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh my.
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bwest
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  12:47:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dsalinas1939

i am in new jersey we cant pump our own fuel so we are a the mercey the gas station



Oh my!

Bryan
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torque
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Posted - 01/11/2017 :  1:17:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have had to replace a couple of vent valves, they are stuck open. Both on 2011 visions
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/12/2017 :  06:06:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
is that om top of the tank thats what that little hose that hang over the side is connected to
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torque
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Posted - 01/12/2017 :  06:59:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes. The spring is very light, they get corrosion in there and stick. You may be able to free it up if not too bad. The valve is suppose to offer roll over protection, and they leak when stuck open, they should block the port when fuel reaches it. I wouldn't worry if it is just a bit damp, but there should be no drops or wet.
Bluebird PN 10013053.
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/12/2017 :  10:15:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok thank u u read my mind was gonna ask if u had a part number lol
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/13/2017 :  08:35:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
do u have to drop the tank to change the vent?
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torque
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Posted - 01/13/2017 :  08:44:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the ones I did could be done with **patience** through the floor access plate
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/13/2017 :  12:31:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok well gonna be doin one on monday so i hope i can get to it thanks for the info
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bwest
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Posted - 01/18/2017 :  05:23:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How'd it go?

Bryan
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/19/2017 :  11:05:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah i didnt get to it had a fuel internations brake down with bad injectors so i had to do them first the BB go pushed off hopefully this monday gotta love the IC
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/24/2017 :  06:51:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
uggg unbelievable ok i took the vent out and of course the valve i took out is different then the one i got the diameter is bigger on the new one i called dealer and they said thats the one it calls for now i did see it threre the hole in floorit was more towards the rear of tank i got it out there was enough room between the frame and body there are a couuple hole in tank new the hole in floor with plugs in them i am afraid to take them out to see if the valve will fit in it cause they are very rusted anyone run into this problem is there another part number of course the bus has to be inspected tomarrow and now i am stuck ugggggg
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/24/2017 :  09:09:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you guys still have the white envelope that came with the bus? There's pages and pages of build parts in there, it should lead you to the part used. Sometimes it conflicts with part departments' info.
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/24/2017 :  10:32:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hhhhmmmmmm good question have to check
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/24/2017 :  10:47:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah i found the sheets but it doesnt show that there is lots of stuff but thats not on there
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/24/2017 :  10:53:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
actually i pulled the wrong file but none of our visions have a build sheet i found lots of paperwork but no build sheets all our other buses have them but visions dont
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torque
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Posted - 01/25/2017 :  06:52:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The number I gave you is the latest version that I know of, and your BB dealer is agreeing? .
There were several changes over the last few years, some for leaking, some for falling apart but that one is the end all fix (for now LOL) SO far any I have changed have the same thread size, but the head or hex on them have been different because of different design.
Are you saying the thread that screws into the tank is different?
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/25/2017 :  07:48:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes the threads are different i can physically see that the new one is way bigger then the one i took out the dealer said the part superseeds a few times and the part number u gave me is the final change but again there is no way the new one will fit i tried just to make sure but no go so now i am lost no idea what to do uggggg and i bout three cause i have three visions with the same problem
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torque
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Posted - 01/25/2017 :  08:58:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our oldest are 2011's, sounds like some things are different. One of the plugs must be the same size as the new vent?
The access holes in our floors are above the fuel gauge sending units. Fuel lines and the vent is beside the sending unit. All this is beside the filler neck.
Bus been modified at some time?
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/25/2017 :  11:34:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah itook the cover off and the sender is right there with filler neck but the vent valve is further back cant even see it threw that hole
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  08:34:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.newyorkbussales.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Tech-Tip-09-XXX-XBD-Fuel-Tank-Vent.doc

Found this while looking for something else today. Not sure if it'll help or not.
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torque
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  09:26:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats a good site Thomasbus24 !!, this appears to be the updated version of that.

http://www.newyorkbussales.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Chassis-Tech-Tip-11-0404REVB-Diesel-Fuel-Tank-Vent.pdf

So I guess find a hole the new vent will fit in, and plug the hole where the old vent was?

I wonder, do you have auxiliary heater in this bus and they used where the vent should be for the use of the heater and put in a vent they found to fit another hole?
Do you have other holes that just have plugs in them near the hole in the floor?
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  09:28:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
www.newyorkbussales.com has A LOT of useful info posted. If you are a Blue Bird fleet, you need to bookmark their service page!
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dsalinas1939
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USA
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  12:31:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
my computer doesnt have office program cant open it will have to try another computer and no it doesnt have auxiliary heat and yes there is a hole with a plug in it near the hole in floor i didnt take plug out to see if it would fit cause it looks small will have to try that and see what happens
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  12:38:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok i got to veiw the link and figure one is what is in tank and figure four is the one i got but it doesnt thread where the original one came from
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dsalinas1939
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Posted - 01/26/2017 :  12:45:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
whats strange is i read the info and it says the new update has a gold cap the replaces the plastic one that was popping off the new one i got part number10013053 has a plastic black cap i am really confused now
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