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genescammell
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USA
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 Posted - 07/22/2014 : 1:02:08 PM
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does any one know if a school bus stop sign can be added to a privately operated 25 passenger shuttle bus I have been going through all the txdot rules and I cant find a reference on this issue
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aaronwilmoth80911
Top Member
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Posted - 07/22/2014 : 1:35:55 PM
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| I don't believe that would be legal in CO. My guess would be that you would have to be a legitimate school bus in order to have one. Definitely wouldn't chance it until you get a solid answer. Let us know if you get an answer. |
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genescammell
Active Member
USA
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 08:51:21 AM
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after much research with dmv here in san Antonio me and the dmv lady came to the same conclusion in texas there are no regulations that we could find that said a bus style stop sign cannot be added to a shuttle bus both of us spent several hours looking at regulations her response was if there is no regulation then it is not against the law
case closed I will install the signs |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 09:03:33 AM
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| All I can say, is from years of experience in the transportation field I want to add this; "to be continued". Good luck, but I think you are asking for trouble because you are using a traffic control devise without authorization. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 09:09:47 AM
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genescammell, you need to take a look at this: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/tn/htm/tn.544.htm
Read paragraph "C"
You are not a "local authority" nor have you gotten permission from the Texas DOT. It's all spelled out in that one paragraph in my opinion. Took me all of two minutes to find this. I don't have a dog in this hunt but I really hate for anyone to get in a tussle with a state agency, it never ends well. |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 09:37:06 AM
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| @bwest paragraph C seems to be talking about installing traffic lights or mounting a stop sign on the highway without DOT approval. It could be interpreted in different way I guess. Just saying that's the way I read it. I could be wrong though. |
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aaronwilmoth80911
Top Member
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 10:12:54 AM
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| Read Section 544.006. This section does not say that the signage is necessarily placed on the highway, rather in view of the highway. So my interpretation is that an unauthorized sign is being used in an attempt to control traffic. I think this is probably a bad idea and that there may be some legal consequences. Perhaps you could find a more clear understanding through federal guidelines as opposed to TX guidelines. |
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bwest
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United States
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Posted - 07/24/2014 : 10:57:57 AM
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Originally posted by aaronwilmoth80911
Read Section 544.006. This section does not say that the signage is necessarily placed on the highway, rather in view of the highway. So my interpretation is that an unauthorized sign is being used in an attempt to control traffic. I think this is probably a bad idea and that there may be some legal consequences. Perhaps you could find a more clear understanding through federal guidelines as opposed to TX guidelines.
I agree with what you're saying but I would add that, in this case, the feds wouldn't have anything to do with it unless the sign is used on a federal highway (i.e. interstate or u.s. highway) |
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JoeHEB1
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Posted - 07/28/2014 : 04:27:28 AM
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| @bwest @aaron agreed, I've always known that if it isn't a public school bus it cannot have any loading lights or a stop sign. It also cannot display the words school bus on it. You see day care and private schools buses all the time and none of them have the lights or stop signs like a public school bus. |
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RidgeLine
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40ngone
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USA
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Posted - 07/28/2014 : 10:37:59 AM
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| Here in California, just because Title 13 does not address a paticular issue or application, does not by default make it legal. My opinion, it will not be legal. |
Edited by - 40ngone on 07/28/2014 10:38:44 AM |
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