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kentuckynascar1
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Posted - 10/29/2012 :  3:22:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two preschoolers have died in a horrible bus accident.
http://www.wave3.com/story/19946187/school-bus-overturns-in-carroll-co-crash-possible-injuries

Edited by - kentuckynascar1 on 10/29/2012 6:27:51 PM

Thomas Ford 85-16
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Posted - 10/29/2012 :  5:41:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit Thomas Ford 85-16's Homepage  Send Thomas Ford 85-16 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I am so so shocked at the damage to that bus, wow.
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Jake
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Posted - 10/29/2012 :  6:21:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit Jake's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That is the worst bus accident I have seen in a long time... my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those affected.


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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 10/30/2012 :  03:09:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow. What body company made that?
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kentuckynascar1
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Posted - 10/30/2012 :  05:31:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thomasbus24

Wow. What body company made that?

Looks like an IC. Never seen one come off the frame like that. Truly a devastating accident.
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Jake
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Posted - 10/30/2012 :  08:36:04 AM  Show Profile  Visit Jake's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It was a 36 passenger IC CE.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 10/30/2012 :  2:29:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah, I see the logo now. Again...wow.
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kentuckynascar1
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Posted - 10/30/2012 :  7:21:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Updated story and pics of the bus up close. I am still wondering how the bus body can get detached from the chassis like that.
http://www.wave3.com/story/19953448/bus-crash-students-recovering-at-louisville-hospital
http://www.wlky.com/news/local-news/kentucky-news/Community-mourns-as-identities-of-children-killed-in-bus-crash-are-revealed/-/9718420/17194142/-/1593moi/-/index.html

Edited by - kentuckynascar1 on 10/30/2012 7:33:00 PM
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bus724
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Posted - 10/31/2012 :  04:06:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit bus724's Homepage  Send bus724 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
In a severe crash, the body-on-chassis design is actually supposed to separate. Doing so absorbs a lot of the crash forces and reduces the impact to the passenger compartment. Even in low-speed crashes, it's normal to see the body on a school bus shift a few inches to the front or back. It's similar to the concept of crumple zones on a lot of cars - the visible damage to the car appears worse but it actually reduces the risk to the passengers.

Such a tragedy. I wonder how fast the bus was going to sustain that much damage. I would speculate that the fatalities were seated closest to the point of impact with the tree.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 10/31/2012 :  12:34:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats...interesting. Appears that the floor seperated just behind the stepwell (among other things). This needs to be examined further.
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Thomas Ford 85-16
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Posted - 11/01/2012 :  6:01:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit Thomas Ford 85-16's Homepage  Send Thomas Ford 85-16 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Like bus724 says, the body separation is something we see in many accidents. What surprised me is how much the bus wrapped around that tree. I would have hoped the roof would perform better. I guess trees are tougher than expected.

Anyone remember this?
http://www.bandytown.com/Bus%20Accident/pictures.htm


Edited by - Thomas Ford 85-16 on 11/01/2012 6:06:57 PM
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JRob
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Posted - 11/01/2012 :  7:01:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit JRob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's a stretch to say the chassis/ body separation is a design feature of a school bus. Over the years there have been instances when such a thing has been considered a benefit when it happened. However, no performance criteria exists or is used to design a "breakaway" from the chassis.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 11/02/2012 :  03:03:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ward/AmTran was eager to run to the media when the Fox River Grove train vs. bus crash happened in 1995, people expressed concern over how the bus broke apart, Ward "explained" that it was designed that way. That notion has kind of stuck.

Funny to note that if you look at 1980's bus literature on Ebay, Ward had an ad boasting that a "Ward body has never lost a chassis in a crash".

I can see how a body sliding forward a few inches during a frontal crash does absorb impact energy by reducing the rate at which bus occupants slow and/or change direction.

This crash, might have been better had the chassis stayed attached to the floor, stiffening it. Looks like the floor seperated at the joint behind the stepwell, that MAY have been preventable. Large openings in the bus body are not a good thing. See also how the right front corner pillar tore away up at the roofcap...again...large openings aren't good.

If it has to happen, I'd rather see the bus body stay intact, not ripped apart with the chassis' departure.

What blows my mind about this incident, the driver is reported as UNINJURED.

Edited by - Thomasbus24 on 11/02/2012 03:05:41 AM
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