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Jake
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USA
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Posted - 12/01/2011 :  07:49:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit Jake's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just curious to how many districts still have Carpenters still on the road. It's been about 10 years now since Carpenter closed.

Locally, I believe all of our 1995 IHC Carpenters have finally been pulled off the road. I haven't seen them at all this school year. It's kinda sad considering we still have 1990 IHC Waynes and 1991 IHC Birds running, but the state of KY is trying to push the districts to get rid of them due to roof weld issues. We still have Crowns, though they are in pretty rough shape.

Thomasbus24
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Posted - 12/01/2011 :  09:15:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm pleased to say that with the exception of the northeastern part of the state, most of Ohio has crushed their Carpenters into cubes.
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bbvision12
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Posted - 12/01/2011 :  09:36:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit bbvision12's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I only see 'em at dealerships. Its a shame though. I love the Carpenters.
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 12/01/2011 :  09:45:51 AM  Show Profile  Send 1983WardFord an AOL message  Send 1983WardFord a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I've seen one running around Upper Arlington. 1992 International, I believe.

Due to the current economic condition, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
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Sherm
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USA
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Posted - 12/01/2011 :  11:49:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, ours is one of the only ones left around here; it is actually a 1993, not a 1992 and has 227,000 miles. It will be a spare next year after two new Visions arrive in January. We're trading one of two 1995 Waynes in along with one of the last S-series Internationals on the road, a 1988 Thomas.
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Thomasbus24
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USA
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Posted - 12/02/2011 :  02:49:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NOT THE WAYNES!!!! I used to enjoy seeing the one on 670 every morning. How bad are the bodies?
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Sherm
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Posted - 12/02/2011 :  03:42:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bus 3 is all faded and ugly...used up at 345,000 miles. Bus 1 has been virtually re-painted and will remain a spare for a few more years with a little under 200,000 miles, it's in pretty good shape.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 12/02/2011 :  03:53:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I doubt modern buses will ever see 345,000 miles. We had an 85 and 91 make it to almost 400K. Those were the days!
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RichBusman
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Posted - 12/02/2011 :  04:56:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very, very few Carpenters left in New York, with the exception of New York City and Long Island where there the corrosion factor is a lot less than upstate.
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AllAmerican
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Posted - 12/02/2011 :  8:42:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit AllAmerican's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here in north GA, several counties still have Carpenters from the 90's still on the road. Hall County has several 1996 and 1998 Crown by Carpenters on IH chassis, and Gwinnett County has a few 1988 vintage IH Carpenters.
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80 grit
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Posted - 12/03/2011 :  08:09:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We have one, an '89 if memory serves. This one is still in daily service.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53099461@N05/6447181305/

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Tatum
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United States
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Posted - 12/03/2011 :  10:51:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Louisiana still has tons of Carpenters rolling around.
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Jake
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Posted - 12/05/2011 :  7:00:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit Jake's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just learned today (officially) that all of our 1995 IHC Carpenters have been retired. Looks funny seeing a big gap now in our fleet from 1993 to 1996, we still have 1990 Waynes around as spares.


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Fastback
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Posted - 12/06/2011 :  04:58:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tatum

Louisiana still has tons of Carpenters rolling around.



So at least 2 Carpenters in the state of Louisiana?

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback
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Tatum
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Posted - 12/06/2011 :  6:00:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You bet! :D
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C.HARDY
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Posted - 12/07/2011 :  2:03:09 PM  Show Profile  Click to see C.HARDY's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Still a few Crowns in Va. but not many if any older ones left.

"Hardybusman"
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Carson
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Posted - 12/07/2011 :  6:24:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by C.HARDY

Still a few Crowns in Va. but not many if any older ones left.

Yeah, Manassas Park City Schools had 2 Carpenters, but they were probably sold. Buses 16 and 17 incase there is another Northern Bus Fan out there who happened to come across either one. I found a picture in my basement of my sister getting on bus #17. I will photocopy it and post it ;)
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schoolbusperson101
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Posted - 01/07/2012 :  2:19:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit schoolbusperson101's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm proud to say that the awful things no longer exist here. No buses older than 10 years can operate here. No Carpenters :D
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Bus Boy 39
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USA
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Posted - 01/15/2012 :  3:49:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our last Carpenter went to auction in August 2011. It was a 92 International 48 pax with juice brakes. That bus was an amazing bus!

I'll show you my air brakes if you show me yours.
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mr.bluebird
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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  05:35:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit mr.bluebird's Homepage  Reply with Quote
not here in michgian i think we pulled most of them off the road after the roof welds.

YOUR CHILDS SAFETY IS OUR BUSINESS!!!
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TylerB
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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  4:39:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit TylerB's Homepage  Reply with Quote
wi still has crown by carpenters rollin in daily service
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Thomas Ford 85-16
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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  6:58:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Thomas Ford 85-16's Homepage  Send Thomas Ford 85-16 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mr.bluebird

not here in michgian i think we pulled most of them off the road after the roof welds.


Michigan still has some Carpenters on the road. This beaut is still in service...

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RichBusman
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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  8:34:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Disturbing that something like that could pass an inspection.

Even more disturbing that a district could be in such bad shape to have a vehicle like that pull up to pick up children.
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overbyja
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USA
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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  8:55:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thomas Ford 85-16

quote:
Originally posted by mr.bluebird

not here in michgian i think we pulled most of them off the road after the roof welds.


Michigan still has some Carpenters on the road. This beaut is still in service...


Good god man!! Is that from the U.P.?


Edited by - overbyja on 01/17/2012 8:56:55 PM
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Thomasbus24
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USA
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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  02:36:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's a safety feature. The "vent holes" in the sheet metal allow poisonous carbon monoxide to escape from the bus body while in motion.

Hey, somebody loved it enough to put a new Weldon 1020R lamp on it...that's about $25.00...doubled the bus' value. Sadly they didn't love it enough to put a visor back on it, but that was an extra $12, which would just be silly.

You can multiply that bus' value 5x with every fueling!

Edited by - Thomasbus24 on 01/18/2012 02:37:56 AM
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Thomas Ford 85-16
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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  05:51:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit Thomas Ford 85-16's Homepage  Send Thomas Ford 85-16 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by overbyja


Good god man!! Is that from the U.P.?


Yes.

Really though, it's mostly surface rust (except at the bottom there). It looks awful though. That one may have been retired, but one of its sisters, in identical shape, is still in service. They are good runners...

TB24, I would "like" your post if this were Facebook.

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Edited by - Thomas Ford 85-16 on 01/18/2012 05:52:57 AM
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  11:54:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haha, thanks!
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bbvision12
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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  1:36:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit bbvision12's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That RE up there looks pretty nice, 80 Grit, Carpenter didn't make a whole lot of those!
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tylerofficer
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Posted - 01/19/2012 :  1:14:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit tylerofficer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Missouri has a lot of Carpenters running around. My district has one Crown branded International in great shape on the road, used as a spare. I see a very nice private operator running a Carpenter transit bus that I wish I could get a photo of.
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Carpenter951
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USA
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  10:13:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thom Ford, That Carpenter looks like she is just broken in ;)

Districts are broke, taxes are high enough.. Plus new buses suck, way to many computers.. no fun to drive!!
Here is a pic of 25 year old Mitchell Built Carpenter #17 from two weeks ago still on her route, serving her original owner with pride!! Nothing beats an IHC S series :)



The Carpenter Shield still watches over..



Simply Beautiful, even at almost 20 years old !!

Carpenter Till the End!
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08 Thomas EF
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Posted - 01/25/2012 :  03:32:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit 08 Thomas EF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
^ That is a very nice FE!
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Fastback
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Posted - 01/25/2012 :  04:57:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 08 Thomas EF

^ That is a very nice FE!



And it "Stands 14"

Why yes, the ORIGinal CHARGER is a Fastback
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Thomasbus24
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USA
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Posted - 01/25/2012 :  09:02:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That means it can only stand having 14 passengers on it. Anything more and the floor caves in.
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08 Thomas EF
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Posted - 01/25/2012 :  1:10:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit 08 Thomas EF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Either that or they're worried the 14 people will get thrown into the wall in the event of an accident and let the bad roof welds work their magic.
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 01/26/2012 :  11:50:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah, that very well could be the case.
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bluebirdvision
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USA
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Posted - 01/26/2012 :  12:24:25 PM  Show Profile  Click to see bluebirdvision's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
New York used to allow Standees.

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