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Lords47
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 Posted - 07/09/2007 : 03:55:33 AM
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Yes, documentation - what I referred to in the post concerning that and not being the author or an authority concerning that documentation, but simply expressing an opinion concerning that documentation. And remember to watch out for false prophets, whoever they might be (jk)
Ah yes, the other JK tactic of quoting "Christian documentation" but not giving us a lead in exactly WHERE you were looking, as Christian documentation covers, I don't know, several thousand years of collected scriptures and writings. I see you are back to your "holier than thou" ways.
James, what would you do if any one of your grandchildren came to you and told you they were gay? How would you handle that? |
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:30:43 AM
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"you are back to your "holier than thou" ways."
Some seem rather judgmental today. You already know the main source of the documentation and also that I claimed not to be that source or the author of that source. Have a nice day. (jk)
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Lords47
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:37:19 AM
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I see you mistakenly avoided my question of what you would do if one of your grandchildren came out? Clever how you avoided many excellent questions from posters...
Perhaps you could let 80-RE4 know the source, as he asked and you avoided answering his question with a real answer versus the garbage of you not being the author.
It's not judgemental, just me and others looking for some concrete answers from you, since you seem to have such a firm opinion on the subject matter. |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:55:28 AM
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JK: Sometimes I feel as if I am going to faint when I read some of your posts. I have even tried going to Dunkin Donughts and getting a strawberry/bananna smoothie just to have extra sugar in me but I somehow get confused. I know you have passion in your writing's, and I'm not saying that I am a perfect writer, because I'm not, but it's like you are going around in circles (and yes, I've done that when it comes to bus parts, engines and transmissions), but please, come clean and spit it out, tell us what you are trying to say, we are here for you.
Lords 47 has also made very good points, you seem to keep avoiding his questions, almost like you are possessed. And it would be interested to know what you would do if someone close to you came out? My dad didn't speak to me for quite some time, but he just needed to get over it and now accepts me for me.
IC Dave, people who are gay, bisexual, straight, etc... are not sinners because of their sexual orientation. God loves everyone. Don't go through life trying to change what God made you.
I don't know why this conversation leaped into religion.
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:56:13 AM
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"It's not judgemental, just me and others looking for some concrete answers from you, since you seem to have such a firm opinion on the subject matter."
Making demands of posters now? Who's high horse are you on today? Myself have not demanded answers from anyone anywhere in these forums from the so-called high horse I'm accused of sitting on. No one here is at your beck and call. (jk) |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:57:28 AM
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Originally posted by JK
"you are back to your "holier than thou" ways."
Some seem rather judgmental today. You already know the main source of the documentation and also that I claimed not to be that source or the author of that source. Have a nice day. (jk)
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Originally posted by JK
"It's not judgemental, just me and others looking for some concrete answers from you, since you seem to have such a firm opinion on the subject matter."
Making demands of posters now? Who's high horse are you on today? Myself have not demanded answers from anyone anywhere in these forums from the so-called high horse I'm accused of sitting on. No one here is at your beck and call. (jk)
JK
You are playing mind games 
Please, stop the insanity! |
Edited by - 80-RE4 on 07/09/2007 06:58:47 AM |
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 07:01:32 AM
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"You are playing mind games"
Perhaps, where that seems the manipulation from some in this thread. Are you against experimenting with mind-games, when not required to answer any post in this thread? (jk) |
Edited by - JK on 07/09/2007 07:09:17 AM |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 07:09:21 AM
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Originally posted by JK
"You are playing mind games"
Perhaps, where that seems the minipulation from some in this thread. Are you against mind-games? (jk)
Quite frankly, I am against mind games. I like to be honest and I like to "treat people the way I would want to be treated."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze3v6juagnM
"If you understand or if you don't
If you believe or if you doubt
There's a universal justice
And the Eyes of Truth are always watching you."
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 07:13:41 AM
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"Quite frankly, I am against mind games. I like to be honest and I like to "treat people the way I would want to be treated.""
I edited more into the post prior to your voluntary response after that post.
For a thread this personal to be established under the guise no one has to answer questions is a form of mind game, is it not? (jk)
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 07:21:51 AM
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Originally posted by JK
"Quite frankly, I am against mind games. I like to be honest and I like to "treat people the way I would want to be treated.""
I edited more into the post prior to your voluntary response.
For a thread this personal to be established under the guise no one has to answer questions is a form of mind game, is it not? (jk)
Where is this going??!!!!
Time for me to run to Dunkin’s for an extra large smoothie
Aren't all responses voluntary? What “guise” aka pretext , excuse, appearance?
Pretext = Alleged Reason, ploy, excuse
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 08:18:18 AM
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"Where is this going??!!!!"
Forward is my thought, after this short intermission. (jk) |
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Lords47
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 08:25:22 AM
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Hiding from answering questions relevant to the topic of debate is a sure sign of weakness to me... Hence the "holier than tho" opinions of you.
Enough criticizing, back on topic for now.
For those against accepting the homosexual population for who they are - what do you do if someone in your family were to come out? How would you handle the situation? Pretty relevant question if you were to ask me. |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 09:14:53 AM
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I think it's funny how JK can sit there and advocate for school bus drivers who leave children on the school bus, or are distracted by something and forget to check their bus and the child is left on the bus for hours and will protest for that driver, but when he is asked something like this he won't answer.
JK, all you have to say is that you don't feel comfortable answering it. I did ask you a while ago, in the last post that got pulled, about how you would treat someone on your school bus (a child) if you knew they were gay, and I believe you gave a wishy-wash responce. I think that is wrong, you should protect every child no matter what their sexual preference is.
I remember riding the school bus in the sixth grade. The stop after mine, this kid got on the bus and every one started chanting "F-G alert" as loud as possible, guess what? The bus kept rolling and the driver did nothing at all.
I was so worried that one day I would get on the bus and they would do that to me and the driver wouldn't do a thing [that only happened in school, thankfully, so the bus became a safe place for me](when you are that age you expect the school bus driver to take charge).
Anyways, I think I'm done with this topic. It takes too much energy out of me. I said I "think" I'm done, or at least I'll try to be done with this topic but I might not be. |
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 10:18:21 AM
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"Anyways, I think I'm done with this topic. It takes too much energy out of me. I said I "think" I'm done, or at least I'll try to be done with this topic but I might not be."
Can relate to that in your voluntary response. 
Have not involved myself in other similar threads simply to allow them their space without my perspectives. It is a right not to post, is it not? And it remains a right not to answer questions, and regardless of how many clever ways of seeking an answer, is not that also true?
Have you forgotten or simply never realized that 'no answer' is an answer, simply not one some want to hear?
Is this thread really about freedoms and rights? (jk) |
Edited by - JK on 07/09/2007 10:32:00 AM |
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 10:30:35 AM
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"in the last post that got pulled,.."
What post got pulled and who pulled it? (jk)
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 5:58:33 PM
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"in the last post that got pulled,.."
What post got pulled and who pulled it? (jk)
It was a long time ago, I should not have brought it up, sorry.
Jk, do you think we should let this topic settle down for a while? I'm running out of Olay for my hands, I've got to get a manicure and hand massage from all this typing! Gotta keep up with those manicures. (just kidding, or am I) |
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JK
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 11:01:05 PM
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"Jk, do you think we should let this topic settle down for a while?"
My voluntary response is that I'm not questioning the need one way or the other. For those that wish an extended intermission without entertainment, that can certainly happen for as long as no one posts.
There are actually other similar threads within sailing distance right here in these forums and that does not include perspectives from me. I have left those threads to themselves and their perspectives -- similar threads fully available and free of my perspectives for any that might prefer that.
For any that decide for themselves to go sailing, I wish for these a red sky at night for a calm adventure. (jk) |
Edited by - JK on 07/09/2007 11:07:25 PM |
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thomas86_a
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Posted - 07/10/2007 : 08:33:16 AM
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If you have an International, you NEED customer service. |
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JK
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Posted - 07/10/2007 : 09:10:31 AM
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"Why doesn't everyone just stop responding, that's an easy way to end this."
Interesting post. If not posting is actually what you wanted, which had already been covered and established, and none forced to then post or not to post, for what reason did you make the next post? (jk) |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/10/2007 : 10:31:29 AM
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"Why doesn't everyone just stop responding, that's an easy way to end this."
Interesting post. If not posting is actually what you wanted, which had already been covered and established, and none forced to then post or not to post, for what reason did you make the next post? (jk)
I think Thomas86a made the last post because he is trying to rack up his post count. Too bad, you can't beat me. |
Edited by - 80-RE4 on 07/10/2007 10:32:42 AM |
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JK
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 5:11:30 PM
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| This is turning out to be a pleasant intermission, but I do have a problem. Does anyone have an extra bag of popcorn they didn't have before? Mine was here beside me before I took a short nap. (jk) |
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Lords47
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 5:37:58 PM
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Sounds to me like you've missed a very important step.
But alas, I agree with JK, the intermission was quite pleasant - along with the popcorn ;) |
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BusFreak
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 7:04:06 PM
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Wow....what a thread!
This just goes to show how the world likes to avoid the issue with homosexuality. Many are so quick to judge, but they don't have much substance to back their judgment. Some call that being shallow. I personally give credit to those who interpret christianity to believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful. I've struggled with that issue for a while now, and have talked to many people about it. Some say that's why sins are forgiven, and others say that a true christian would resist evil temptation. Noone has ever been able to look me in the eye and tell me that it is a choice, and a wrong one at that. All I can say is, christian or not, I have been blessed with who I am spending my life with, and I'd rather live that way. |
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JK
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 7:13:42 PM
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... the intermission was quite pleasant - along with the popcorn ;)
That's ok. While you were napping I took your wallet. |
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Lords47
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 7:19:36 PM
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JK
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 8:04:47 PM
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No, just the wallet. (jk)
"Carve every word before you let it fall." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 10:14:36 PM
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Originally posted by JK
No, just the wallet. (jk)
"Carve every word before you let it fall." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Oh really, I am reading in between the lines James-
You were caught red handed!
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guzaldo
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 03:45:06 AM
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You folks on this forum who are gay don't pay attention to biased small minded biggots who don't know s#!t from clay.
Some are trying to be cute about christian attitude, reading between the lines makes me think they are some of those who never got out of the 60's with their immature underdeveloped attitudes. The bottom line is they are gasbags with way to much time on their hands during the summer break.
Also, if he was living in the real world with the rest of us he would have answered the "what would you do if your kids or grand kids came up gay" question, he can't answer that question. Which says loads about the poster. Don't forget his "why don't you stop posting so we can end this" comment. You see this guy always has to have the last word, even if there are no words to say he will make up something to say.
I wish you all well don't let him drive you nuts it's not worth it. |
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Peter
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 04:33:43 AM
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don't pay attention to biased small minded biggots who don't know s#!t from clay.
Which are you shoveling? It sure is deep!
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Also, if he was living in the real world with the rest of us he would have answered the "what would you do if your kids or grand kids came up gay" question
The only person that would answer that question in the context of this forum is someone who wants to prove to the bullies here that he thinks the approved thoughts or someone who feels the need to tell them what they want to hear to escape from their persecution. "They" are the folks that can't tolerate anyone with a different opinion. "They" are the folks that use buzzwords to encapsulate people in a one dimensional cell where they can ridicule and degrade an often innocent victim.
Before you go throwing around labels like "small minded biggots," [sic] I suggest that you consider how broad your own mind is. Can you accept a person that doesn't agree with you?
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Spicer is nicer. |
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Lords47
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 04:40:22 AM
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Any bullying I see is coming from you, Peter. What do you expect from this forum? Everyone to just bow down and concede defeat and allow disrepect to those with a different sexuality as your own? Give me a break.
Guzaldo presented his opinion, which may be more "in your face" others, but you attempted to shoot down his view. How are you any different than? The word "Hypocrit" comes to mind.
The point of asking how someone would react if someone in their family were to come out was to get them to open their mind and think - not "escape from our persecution".
I sugguest YOU consider how your broad your mind is. |
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Edited by - Lords47 on 07/12/2007 04:42:29 AM |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 10:39:34 AM
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I agree with Ryan.
To Peter: Of course we can accept people who don't agree with us, we accept you don't we. |
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Peter
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 6:36:04 PM
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Guzaldo presented his opinion, which may be more "in your face" others, but you attempted to shoot down his view.
I take issue with the name-calling and the derision of folks who are simply pointing out the double standards that appear to be held by some here. Those are the sections of guzaldo's post that drew my response. If you read my posts here you'll discover that I'm calling people on their methods more than on their message. How can you demand respect from someone else if you're not willing to give it? Perhaps some people cannot separate behavior from intention in their minds. They see any criticism as an all-encompassing personal attack. I'm not writing here to hurt anyone's feelings but to point out that they may be doing just that to someone else and, worse, causing others to view someone negatively without cause.
I don't know how everyone else here replies to a post, but I only address the sections that I care to address. Note the portions of guzaldo's post to which I didn't respond. My intention from the beginning has been to highlight the inconsistencies in some members' writings. I understand why it's unpleasant to have someone point out something unjust about the way you're writing to people. I understand that it's unpleasant to have someone confront you, albeit in writing is easier to take than in person. I don't understand why someone can think no one should be able to debate an idea that they've presented. That's what we're doing, right? You take issue with something that I've written. I think that you misunderstand me and attempt to clarify and reiterate my point and now I wait to see if I've successfully communicated with you and anyone else reading along. |
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Thomas Ford 85-16
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 7:46:15 PM
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I take issue with the bigot comment. I did not read this entire discussion, but I am always curious why people speaking for Christianity (in whatever form) are called bigots, while those who speak against Christianity are called free speakers. Hmm.
Anyhow, I think the biggest influence Christianity should have on this issue is "Love Thy Neighbor." That IS a commandment, and I think anyone who is close to and comfortable with their God would be able to deal with this issue in a just manner in the modern day, simply by following that commandment. |
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JK
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 10:08:17 PM
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Looks like intermission has concluded. Some perhaps consumed too much sugar during the intermission.
Sorry about all those posts that came after guzaldo's post, once again denying him the last word. Such can certainly whine about that with frivolous hostile posts or just find something else to do rather than hope for a last word in any thread in these forums.
"Any bullying I see is coming from you, Peter"
A sad and unwarranted comment, and typical. And so obvious that Peter is not accepted by some here, clearly using that as an excuse to attack his fair-minded posts. All in a thread that seemed to claim just wanting their special personal rights to be accepted, a mentality that also claims the rights of the people in this country to decide at the [voting booth] does not exist.
Peter makes good enough sense to have a valid opinion, yet the so-called open minds quickly reveal a closed view at Peter and others for expressing their opinions.
The So-called, and again, 'just want understanding,' then, 'just want acceptance,' bunch come off later as hostiles that got nothing other than inventions and typical special garbage mouths toward Peter and others, which again serves to demonstrate over and over that a special interest agenda just can't tolerate an opposing view, nor that their agenda is about the rights or freedoms of the people.
If this garbage keeps up at least some in this thread can be grateful this thread was allowed to remain a bit longer than a similar thread that went hostile and which included slanders of bigotry until adequately demonstrating having no value relevant to these forums.
Others will never be grateful for much of anything. Thus, what happens next is irrelevant to those sorts.
Sailing remains an option for some with the weather reports still indicating a red sky at night. (jk)
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - October 11, 1789, spoken by John Adams, former President of the United States of America. |
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80-RE4
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 10:15:18 PM
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Originally posted by JK
Looks like intermission has concluded. Some perhaps consumed too much sugar during the intermission.
Sorry about all those posts that came after guzaldo's post, once again denying him the last word. Such can certainly whine about that with frivolous hostile posts or just find something else to do rather than hope for a last word in any thread in these forums.
"Any bullying I see is coming from you, Peter"
A sad and unwarranted comment, and typical. And so obvious that Peter is not accepted by some here, clearly using that as an excuse to attack his fair-minded posts. All in a thread that started by what mentality that claims so-called rights.
Peter makes good sense, yet the so-called open minds quickly reveal a closed view at Peter and others for expressing their opinions. The So-called, and again, 'just want understanding,' bunch come off later as hostiles that got nothing other than inventions and typical special garbage mouths toward Peter and others demonstrating over and over that a special interest agenda just can't tolerate an opposing view.
If this garbage keeps up at least some in this thread can be grateful this thread was allowed to remain a bit longer than a similar thread that went hostile and which included slanders of bigotry until adequately demonstrating having no value relevant to these forums.
Others will never be grateful for much of anything. Thus, what happens next is irrelevant to those sorts.
Sailing remains an option for some with the weather reports still indicating a red sky at night. (jk)
It's time for another break. Listen to this, it will relax you.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA |
Edited by - 80-RE4 on 07/12/2007 10:16:09 PM |
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