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BBGMC2003_16
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 Posted - 05/08/2005 : 09:32:35 AM
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Hey, I was just wondering if any of you ohioans, knew what type of ID system Ohio uses for there school buses. I know that a number that starts with 10--- would be a 2000 bus, because that is what year the bus I drive is. I also know that 18--- would be a 2004 because thats what our newest bus for now is numbered. Also does anyone know why they stopped at 86--- and went to the 10---, system? I was wondering what ID codes specificly stand for the year purchased. You don't have to name them all to reply just if you would put what year your bus is and the first two digits of your id is. Here I will start with a few to help out. 79--- is a 1996. 10--- is a 2000. PLease reply  |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 09:51:08 AM
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Hey D 26,
Here is a list I made up for the Ohio ID system, starting with 1975.
60XXX-61XXX = 1975
62XXX-63XXX = 1976
64XXX-65XXX = 1977
66XXX-67XXX = 1978
67XXX-68XXX-69XXX = 1979
40XXX-41XXX = 1980
42XXX-43XXX = 1981
44XXX-45XXX = 1982
46XXX-47XXX = 1983
48XXX-49XXX = 1984
50XXX-51XXX = 1985
52XXX-53XXX = 1986
54XXX-55XXX = 1987
56XXX-57XXX = 1988
58XXX-59XXX-60XXX = 1989
70XXX-71XXX = 1990
72XXX-73XXX = 1991
74XXX = 1992
75XXX = 1993
76XXX = 1994
77XXX-78XXX-79XXX = 1995
78XXX-79XXX = 1996
80XXX-81XXX = 1997
82XXX-83XXX = 1998
84XXX-85XXX-86XXX = 1999
10XXX-11XXX = 2000
12XXX-13XXX = 2001
14XXX-15XXX = 2002
16XXX-17XXX = 2003
18XXX = 2004
19XXX = 2005
20XXX/21XXX = 2006
I ride a 1998 Thomas Saf-T-Liner MVP EF and it's ID is 83XXX and a 1994 Wayne Ford in the afternoon, which thats 76XXX.
Blue Birds do not follow the ID system though. Say, a 86XXX ID on a Blue Bird means it's a 2000, not a 1999 like another bus would be. They basically are a "number ahead" Another example is that 18XXX would mean it's a 2005, not a 2004. Or 57XXX would mean it's a 1989, not a 1988. I've seen a few Wards, Waynes, and Carpenters do this as well, but not often.
Also, what district do you drive for in Ohio?
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Rich
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 12:41:33 PM
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| It's a state requirement, and it's basically just like a license plate - but just for buses. Seems to be a pretty good system, since you don't have to worry about the plates... just put the numbers on the bus and you're set! |
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Thomasbus24
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 1:10:00 PM
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Exception to the rule is this:
If you buy a used bus, to be used as a school bus, then you get a modern ID #...so you're 1987 IH would have an ID that starts with 19 this year.
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BBGMC2003_16
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 7:38:36 PM
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| OK thanks, alot BUSDude3. The district I drive for is Paulding. I'm a lil confused by ur comment about how Blue Birds go tho. Cuz my bus which i know is a 2000 is numbered with 10---. Just about every bus we have in our lot tho is a bluebird. We only have one bus that isn't and that is an IC, also called "The Escalade" by some students. And there are also a few things on here that I don't get for the bird id. I know that one bus we have is a '99 has an ID that starts out 85---. Also do you know why they went from 69-40 in 1980, and then from 86--- to 10--- in 2000. PS Thanks for giving my bus a newer age tho :), BTW bus dude, I looked at your profile and I was wondering if you ever dj on the radio station 93. 9 |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/09/2005 : 4:36:04 PM
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No problem. Glad I could help. For Blue Birds, say for 1991...72XXX would still be a 1991, but 73XXX would be a 1992 instead of 1991 for another bus. It's always the "last" number in the set that would make it the year ahead. I have no clue why they numbered them like that either.
He he, no I haven't. I'm not sure of the radio station myself. I live in the Youngstown area. |
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 05/10/2005 : 4:16:17 PM
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| Thomas has been "the exception" more and more, as Blue Birds used to be. Our 2005 buses (which are already a year and a half old) have 178XX numbers. We have 2 other buses with the 85XXX ID numbers, but they're model year 2000s. While it is an accurate way to tell the age of a bus, it's more of a guide as to when the bus was purchased. Still, it works like a charm! I LOVE Ohio's ID system. Very intriguing. |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/10/2005 : 6:00:38 PM
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| Yeah really Ryan. It saves going inside the bus to check the year. |
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 3:43:06 PM
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 4:50:15 PM
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Ryan --
I think your list follows true to the way the numbering is handled for the most part except the part about Blue Birds. To my knowledge, the numbering system is not brand-specific and I can give you a number of districts where this is the case. Did someone at Public Safety give you that synopsis, or is that based on your experience in seeing Ohio's buses out and about? The numbers do rotate but I thought it was a little different than what you outlined.
For some others who asked, the ID numbering system IS the license plate number. Pursuant to Ohio Revised Code, school buses and US postal trucks are the only two types of vehicles exempted from displaying a "typical" license plate. The ID number is issued by the Dept of Public Safety at the time the initial inspection is performed and form HP32C completed. The only difference is that a school district doesn't have to wait in line for hours at the BMV like the rest of us  ...their numbers are sent to them in the mail.
Brian Whitta
Ohio Dept of Education
Office of Pupil Transportation
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Originally posted by Busdude3
Hey D 26,
Here is a list I made up for the Ohio ID system, starting with 1975.
60XXX-61XXX = 1975
62XXX-63XXX = 1976
64XXX-65XXX = 1977
66XXX-67XXX = 1978
67XXX-68XXX-69XXX = 1979
40XXX-41XXX = 1980
42XXX-43XXX = 1981
44XXX-45XXX = 1982
46XXX-47XXX = 1983
48XXX-49XXX = 1984
50XXX-51XXX = 1985
52XXX-53XXX = 1986
54XXX-55XXX = 1987
56XXX-57XXX = 1988
58XXX-59XXX-60XXX = 1989
70XXX-71XXX = 1990
72XXX-73XXX = 1991
74XXX = 1992
75XXX = 1993
76XXX = 1994
77XXX-78XXX-79XXX = 1995
78XXX-79XXX = 1996
80XXX-81XXX = 1997
82XXX-83XXX = 1998
84XXX-85XXX-86XXX = 1999
10XXX-11XXX = 2000
12XXX-13XXX = 2001
14XXX-15XXX = 2002
16XXX-17XXX = 2003
18XXX = 2004
19XXX = 2005/2006
I ride a '91 Carpenter IHC to school everyday and it's ID is 73050.
Blue Birds do not follow the ID system though. Say, a 86XXX ID on a Blue Bird means it's a 2000, not a 1999 like another bus would be. They basically are a "number ahead" Another example is that 18XXX would mean it's a 2005, not a 2004. Or 57XXX would mean it's a 1989, not a 1988. I've seen a few Wards, Waynes, and Carpenters do this as well, but not often.
Also, what district do you drive for in Ohio?
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 5:19:01 PM
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| Nope. I basically taught myself the Ohio ID system. Just from looking at Ohio buses on sites and in person, I learned to "create" that listing. |
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 5:37:11 PM
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It's actually quite observant -- someone explained it to me several years ago and from what I recall it is very similar to what you laid out. The numbers can be reused but it takes a very long time for one to recycle.
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Nope. I basically taught myself the Ohio ID system. Just from looking at Ohio buses on sites and in person, I learned to "create" that listing.
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BBGMC2003_16
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 5:42:17 PM
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Ryan, I checked out our buses throughout this week here is the way our buses are IDed. Begining with 1991
1991 Blue Bird Internationals- 71XXX
1993 Blue Bird International- 74XXX
1994 Blue Bird Fords and TC 2000- 76XXX
1995 Blue Bird GMC's- 77XXX
1996 Blue Bird Fords and TC 2000- 79XXX, 80XXX
1997 Blue Bird Fords- 82XXX
1998 Blue Bird Internationals and TC 2000- 84XXX
1999 Blue Bird GMCS- 85XXX
2000 Blue Bird GMC's- 10XXX
2001 Blue Bird GMC's- 12XXX and 13XXX
2003 Blue Bird GMC's- 14XXX *2002 School Year
2003 IC CE- 16XXX
2005 Blue Bird Vision- 18XXX *2004 School Year
Is there a specific website that has every school bus ID on record? |
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 5:47:51 PM
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There is a database with every bus in the state, but it is a secure system only accessible by certain people and it is used for districts to electronically file their transportation reports.
You have to keep in mind too that there are 614 public school districts in Ohio and it is pretty hard for that listing to adhere strictly to any set schedule or order. Two of the biggest fleets in the state have over 500 buses - each!
Brian
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Originally posted by D_26
Ryan, I checked out our buses throughout this week here is the way our buses are IDed. Begining with 1991
1991 Blue Bird Internationals- 71XXX
1993 Blue Bird International- 74XXX
1994 Blue Bird Fords and TC 2000- 76XXX
1995 Blue Bird GMC's- 77XXX
1996 Blue Bird Fords and TC 2000- 79XXX, 80XXX
1997 Blue Bird Fords- 82XXX
1998 Blue Bird Internationals and TC 2000- 84XXX
1999 Blue Bird GMCS- 85XXX
2000 Blue Bird GMC's- 10XXX
2001 Blue Bird GMC's- 12XXX and 13XXX
2003 Blue Bird GMC's- 14XXX *2002 School Year
2003 IC CE- 16XXX
2005 Blue Bird Vision- 18XXX *2004 School Year
Is there a specific website that has every school bus ID on record?
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98TomFord
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 6:58:29 PM
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| Brian you have been very factorial in this topic, I'm just curious as to which two schools you are refering to in Ohio w/over 500 buses. I'm guessing the entire Cleveland Transportation System and Columbus Schools. I know Cleveland is extremly large, but I am guessing on the other school. I do live in Ohio just so you know and I must say there are certain laws I think that need to be looked at more closely and changed. I work in the bus garage here @ South Range and I must say some of these new state laws are so retarded it isn't funny. I mean we have to have faded hoods, which nice shiney hoods don't seem to bother other state's schools. Theres also the 3inches of black paint around the warning lights rule which if you go measure ANY new thomas FS-65, those buses violate that rule big time (front flasher caps only). And last thing I'll argue about is the fact we can't have chrome or nice shiney wheels on our buses, instead they have to be black or standerd grey (which is okay sometimes). Ohio has a great ID system, but they need to revise these retarded state laws I think about school buses. End Of Story. |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 7:20:22 PM
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Ohio can't have chrome? Hmm, I didn't know that. My guess is that same thing Mike on the biggest districts. Cinncinnatti might be one also, or Dayton.
D26, you seem to have a nice fleet. Nice job finding out that info! As you can see, Blue Bird is a little "off" in their "IDing". |
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BBGMC2003_16
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 7:47:35 PM
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| Thanks Ryan. If I try maybe I can find out the exact purchase date for each bus, well at least the year:) |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 8:10:40 PM
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Heres our buses' IDs...
Boardman's Current Buses....
30 - 1986 - 53XXX
20, 21, 48 - 1987 - 54XXX
6, 9, 27 - 1988 - 57XXX
44, 46, 47, 49 - 1989 - 58XXX
3, 12, 19, 29 - 1991 - 73XXX
37, 38, 50 - 1993 - 74XXX
51, 52, 55, 56, 57 - 1994 - 75XXX
5, 32, 33 - 1994 - 76XXX
25, 39 - 1995 - 78XXX
26, 40 - 1995 - 79XXX
4, 16, 36, 42, 58, 59, 60, 61 - 1997 - 80XXX
10, 34, 35, 45, 62, 63 - 1998 - 83XXX
8, 14, 31, 41 - 1999 - 86XXX
43 - 2000 - 10XXX
24, 53, 54, 64 - 2001 - 12XXX
17, 18, 22, 65, 66 - 2002 - 14XXX
1, 2, 13, 67, 68 - 2003 - 16XXX
7, 11, 15, 23, 28 - 2005 - 18XXX
69, 70, 71 - 2006 - 19XXX
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 12:24:08 PM
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Well, I am not sure I would classify Ohio law as "retarded." (Sensitivity training will be held later this summer  ) There are things about construction standards that could certainly be reviewed -- you should express your interest to Lt. Boster!
I was referring to the size of Cleveland and Columbus but I believe Cincinnati also has a similarly-sized fleet. Cincy is 100% contractor-owned.
All-in-all I would suggest you address your criticisms with OSHP. They can give you reasoning behind the rules and perhaps take your input into what might be a better way of doing business!
Brian
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Originally posted by 98TomFord
Brian you have been very factorial in this topic, I'm just curious as to which two schools you are refering to in Ohio w/over 500 buses. I'm guessing the entire Cleveland Transportation System and Columbus Schools. I know Cleveland is extremly large, but I am guessing on the other school. I do live in Ohio just so you know and I must say there are certain laws I think that need to be looked at more closely and changed. I work in the bus garage here @ South Range and I must say some of these new state laws are so retarded it isn't funny. I mean we have to have faded hoods, which nice shiney hoods don't seem to bother other state's schools. Theres also the 3inches of black paint around the warning lights rule which if you go measure ANY new thomas FS-65, those buses violate that rule big time (front flasher caps only). And last thing I'll argue about is the fact we can't have chrome or nice shiney wheels on our buses, instead they have to be black or standerd grey (which is okay sometimes). Ohio has a great ID system, but they need to revise these retarded state laws I think about school buses. End Of Story.
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Sherm
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 12:36:30 PM
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| When I was involved with buses in Ohio, I found the rules and laws to be strict but fair. I wish I could say Illinois was just as good. Everything here related to buses is purely beauracratic and is aimed at generating revenue for the state. |
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 8:14:13 PM
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Agreed, Sherm. We have a long list of rules and regulations but they were written with safety and efficiency in mind and Ohio's safety record is quite impressive because of that. It has to be - after all, we are in the top 10 states (probably closer to the top of the list) for percentage of students transported.
Brian
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Originally posted by Sherm
When I was involved with buses in Ohio, I found the rules and laws to be strict but fair. I wish I could say Illinois was just as good. Everything here related to buses is purely beauracratic and is aimed at generating revenue for the state.
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Sherm
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 05:57:00 AM
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| Brian, they used to tell us no one has died INSIDE an Ohio school bus since 1965. Is this still true? |
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brian.whitta
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Posted - 05/17/2005 : 05:10:16 AM
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I believe that is still the record... I would have to check though!
The only fatalities I can recall were at the bus stop and caused by some other motorist who drove around the bus and hit the child. We really have a thorough driver training program, but no matter how well-trained a driver is, they are still subject to the driving habits and choices of fellow motorists.
Brian
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Brian, they used to tell us no one has died INSIDE an Ohio school bus since 1965. Is this still true?
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2006.AAFE.#21
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Posted - 11/29/2005 : 3:12:42 PM
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my mom has a 2006 and it is 21XXX
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Rider of Bus 25, a 2007 Blue Bird All American FE, and Bus 24, a 2009 Blue Bird All American FE. |
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2006.AAFE.#21
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Posted - 11/29/2005 : 3:17:44 PM
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| also we have some 2004s which r 13XXX and our 2003 are 15XXX |
Rider of Bus 25, a 2007 Blue Bird All American FE, and Bus 24, a 2009 Blue Bird All American FE. |
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2006.AAFE.#21
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Posted - 11/29/2005 : 3:19:30 PM
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| also we have some 2004s which r 13XXX and our 2003 are 15XXX |
Rider of Bus 25, a 2007 Blue Bird All American FE, and Bus 24, a 2009 Blue Bird All American FE. |
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2006.AAFE.#21
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 09:00:07 AM
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| i dont drive but my mom does in fact a 2006 AA FE |
Rider of Bus 25, a 2007 Blue Bird All American FE, and Bus 24, a 2009 Blue Bird All American FE. |
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w155jmh
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Posted - 12/03/2005 : 5:47:06 PM
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| As far a taking a while for the numbers to repeat, the last time we saw 2XXXX's was in the late 60's early 70's |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 12/03/2005 : 7:45:09 PM
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| Yep, thats true w155jmh. Do you happen to know the exact years they used the 2XXXX ID's back then? |
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Brian M. Babcock
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Posted - 12/04/2005 : 3:41:35 PM
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Yep, thats true w155jmh. Do you happen to know the exact years they used the 2XXXX ID's back then?
Ohio started using this ID system in 1966. Prior to that all school buses had a license plate just like any other bus or passenger car would in the state. The plate was a special base for school buses embossed with the word "school bus" on the bottom of the plate. The color format followed same design as other plates in the state for the year. Remember prior to 1974 a new metal plate was issued every year rather than renewal stickers like we have today. The way it was explained to me, in 1966 when buses were converted to the ID system, district owned buses were given 1XXXX numbers for their existing buses and new purchases got 2XXXX numbers. At the time the state separated contractor owned buses in the numbering system and when it was put into effect the contractor buses were given 5XXXX numbers. This went on for a while but then sometime in the early 1970's every bus began to be numbered from 6XXXX on up without regard to the owner. Buses were never renumbered however so the buses that started in the 1xxxx, 2xxxx, 5xxxx system ran with that number until it was sold or scrapped. As far as I know, to date there have never been numbers in the 3XXXX & 9XXXX series but I don't know why this is.  
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 3:10:30 PM
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| I have photos of a couple of buses that were numbered with 3XXXX ID's. A district near me has about 5 buses with out-of-place ID numbers. They're all 1991s, 3 Carpenters (2 3XXXX and 1 4XXXX) and 2 Blue Birds (1 2XXXX and 1 4XXXX). I wonder what happened there... |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 5:24:13 PM
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| Oh yeah Manchester right Ryan? |
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 5:28:26 PM
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| You got it |
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Busdude3
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 12:25:22 PM
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| I've wondered that too. I know they weren't bought used (usually you can tell) so I dunno whats up with them. |
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1983WardFord
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 2:21:30 PM
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I have photos of a couple of buses that were numbered with 3XXXX ID's. A district near me has about 5 buses with out-of-place ID numbers. They're all 1991s, 3 Carpenters (2 3XXXX and 1 4XXXX) and 2 Blue Birds (1 2XXXX and 1 4XXXX). I wonder what happened there...
Earlier today I remembered that there were a bunch of 6XXXX IDs issued in 1989/1990 and some 4XXXX IDs issued in 2003. Brian, can you shed any light on these oddities? Is there a particluar reason for this, or are they just that--oddities? |
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Brian M. Babcock
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 5:49:18 PM
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Earlier today I remembered that there were a bunch of 6XXXX IDs issued in 1989/1990 and some 4XXXX IDs issued in 2003. Brian, can you shed any light on these oddities? Is there a particluar reason for this, or are they just that--oddities?
That's a good point. I don't know for sure how the system for determining the state ID number progressed after it was initially set up, but we have the same type of anomalies in our part of the state. Our 1989 buses at Toledo came in with ID numbers in the 574XX group; the 1990 buses came in with 6014X series (Example: Bus 656 is ID Number 60145). By the time the 1991 are showed up they were in the 71XXX series. Now for the twist which may partially explain the confusion. Our rebodied buses kept their original ID numbers after they were rebuilt. For example, Bus 630 was a 1979 IH/Superior gasser, original ID awarded in 1979 of 67050. It was rebuilt in 1995 with a new Wayne Body and given a diesel engine. The bus was still in service as of 2003 and has retained the original ID of 67050 for the entire time. This is true of all of our rebuilds. This is purely speculation, but perhaps the intention was to continue with the 6XXXX series after 59999 was awarded but then someone realized that there would be conflicts when you got the higher numbers because of the older buses still in service. I checked out the Manchester buses on your site, blows my mind, no idea how those would have happened. Interesting that they all turned out to be in the same district. Perhaps they were part of a special project or maybe a little "unique" bookkeeping? As far as the 4XXXX's in 2003 are concerned, the only idea that I could come up with is perhaps it was a rebody and it received a new hood aswell. Remember a hood of a 3800 will also fit on an "S" series cowl, giving an older chassis a much newer look. That is of course provided the buses you refer to were in fact Internationals. If they were Freightliner's or GM's I am confused again. Anyhow, sorry I couldn't shed any additional light on the subject. Strange how what seems like such a straightforward system can be so confusing.
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