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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/01/2005 :  6:30:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you IC-RE!
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  06:55:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So far I've confirmed that Loudoun has 2 C2's. Prince William has 3. And Arlington is getting 3. I wonder what Alexandria is going to do. I know they were buying CE's, FE's, & RE's for awhile.

Prince William is using there C2's as activity buses, not school buses. Judging by what my buddy over there told me, I think they have the activity bus paint scheme on them.
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MongoKen
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  07:17:14 AM  Show Profile  Send MongoKen an AOL message  Reply with Quote
If I'm not mistaken, the Type C buses are still purhased for training/road testing purposes (Administering the road test for new drivers). I could be wrong thoug....

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  09:15:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not here in Fairfax County. We haven't bought a Type C bus since 1989, with the exception of our 1994 Thomas Vista's. But those are actually Type B buses.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  1:52:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I know at the training center here they used to use the 87 Internationals, now they have GMC's and Blue Birds I believe?
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  2:23:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think your right. They also might have an AmTran, Thomas or two.
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IC
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  4:29:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When I went through the "academy"....they pretty much had at least one of (most) every kind of bus in the fleet. They very first one they let us drive was 715 ('87 IH/Ward)...(RIP 715!) They had several Ford and GMC/Waynes, a Thomas ER or two, an '89 BB AAFE (but no TC2000s), and a late model AmTran/IC (w A/C, I think) and a few Special Ed buses.

I took my road test in bus 8....'88 GMC/Wayne, which is still there....I saw it the other day on the road!
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  5:35:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why is that drivers have to trained to drive an A/C bus? I heard them awhile ago call for a driver who could take one of the 02' or 03' RE's from West Ox to Newington or something like that. One driver responded. Area 2 asked if they were certified to drive an A/C. The driver said no, and Area 2 said that they wouldn't be able to help.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  6:06:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I was told they had to be certified because of the different style transmission, and braking system, but in my pyramid, the Bakers allow drivers of non A/C buses to use them when A/C drivers are out sick or something.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  6:09:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess that would make sense. I'd like to hear IC's take on this.
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IC
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Posted - 09/02/2005 :  8:44:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, they often ask if you are trained on an "A/C bus", but it has nothing to do with the air conditioning. It has to do with the brakes and the push button tranny. The '02-'04 buses have that safety thing....can't think what they call it....but you can put the bus in gear push in the park brake knob but the bus won't move until you press firmly on the service brake pedal. Similar to the system in modern cars that the shifter won't move unless your foot is on the brake. You wouldn't BELIEVE how many times I've heard this on the radio:

bus: This bus won't move!
Area II: Step on the brake pedal.
bus: It still won't move!
Area II: Press harder!
bus: Uh okay, it's moving now.....thanks, area II.

LOL.

BTW, the '06s are different.....the park brake knob cannot be pushed in unless your foot is firmly on the service brake pedal...it just pops right back out.

Another thing different is the A/C buses have the touch pad tranny control instead of a shift lever....but I can't believe there are drivers that couldn't figure that out...

I think there's another minor point, but I can't remember what it is.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/03/2005 :  05:40:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your right about that. The 06's are extremely different in tha respect.

I like that safety feature. Does Thomas or Blue Bird do that now?
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/03/2005 :  1:55:15 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
1629 can you get any pics from lcps C2's inside I would like to see how they would put the ac units or are they intergraded in the pannels on the side of the celing like where they put the speakers?

Edited by - Drew19 on 09/03/2005 2:06:24 PM
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/03/2005 :  4:04:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Drew19, I can send you pictures of Spotsylvania's C2.

I plan on going around later this fall to different counties like Loudoun and Prince William. Going to visit with my buddies, and snap some bus photos. I'll be sure to keep you all posted on that.

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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/03/2005 :  4:06:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found the bus garage and the main lot for Shenandoah County Public Schools. They had alot of Thomas Internationals there. A few late 80's ones and some mid 1990's ones. There was also a 2000-2004 Blue Bird International. And finally they had some 1990's Wayne Internationals.
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/03/2005 :  5:52:18 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
That would be great thank you.

quote:
Originally posted by IC RE 1629

Drew19, I can send you pictures of Spotsylvania's C2.

I plan on going around later this fall to different counties like Loudoun and Prince William. Going to visit with my buddies, and snap some bus photos. I'll be sure to keep you all posted on that.



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vabuslover
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Posted - 09/06/2005 :  6:42:58 PM  Show Profile  Click to see vabuslover's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Good News! No, I haven't seen our new buses. In fact, I think some drivers are driving older BB TC2000 FE/REs (89-91s) only so they will get the newer buses that will replacing them. The good news is that I wrote to Newport New's transportation Director, and the Operations Coordinator wrote me back saying he would be happy to answer any questions I have about our buses. Once things quiet down after the first few weeks of school, I might even be able to get a tour of the operations facility! With this, I might be able to put together a site with lots of bus pictures! I can't wait to find out more!
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/07/2005 :  02:26:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is awesome! Please keep us posted on how things go!
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  1:19:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We are now in the second week of school up here. This is the third week for some. How are things going so far?
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  2:28:07 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Going well. Um I saw an HDX activity bus but it was a handicaped one never seen one like that. It looked brand new.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  3:06:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone seen Loudoun or Prince William's C2's?
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  3:36:13 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Not yet.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  3:55:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not me, But I DO see Williams Bus lines number 9 almost every day, it is a nice 2005 or 2006 Thomas HDX ER! I think it is awesome looking ofr a Thomas, and I get excited when I see it! It has all the goods, LED, A/C, white roof, High headroom! I like it a lot!
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  4:05:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is the oldest bus Williams owns?
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  4:12:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think it would be 18 the 89 Thomas ER, or there is also a Caprenter International that is in SAD shape!
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  4:34:27 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Most all of the HDX's in LCPS have led's and Hight head room all the HDX's have ac but the HD's some of them have ac. Didn't loudoun put ac in their buses before fairfax?
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  6:07:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What is the difference between an HD and an HDX?
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  6:13:06 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
In the front the HDX has a three piece panel where the turn signals are and the HD is on piece and the HDX does not a three windows in the rear. I don't know what else is different between the two.
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IC-RE
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  6:14:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit IC-RE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I thought the new HDX's only have one window in the rear as well?
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Drew19
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  6:22:52 PM  Show Profile  Send Drew19 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IC-RE

I thought the new HDX's only have one window in the rear as well?



Yes the HDX's do not have a three windows
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thomas86_a
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Posted - 09/12/2005 :  6:35:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit thomas86_a's Homepage  Send thomas86_a an AOL message  Reply with Quote
When the Saf-T-Liner ER was redesigned for 2001 they had two models the Saf-T-Liner ER and ER HD. The HD stood for heavy duty, basically when you upgraded certain specs it became an HD model.

For 2003 they decided to drop the two seperate models and call it the HDX, this did not make for a lot of changes, standard items remained standard and of course you could still spec the heavy duty specs. At the time they did this they also changed the front slightly from the one piece panel in the front to a three piece. In addition they made the changes to the rear of the bus as well, removing the two narrow windows.

If you have an International, you NEED customer service.
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disneynuts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  01:46:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit disneynuts's Homepage  Reply with Quote
the hdx is a 2006. the c2 will be on the road starting tomorrow. there are no carpenters left. the oldest is 89 Thomas MVP.
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  02:48:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you buy either a HD or HDX today?
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disneynuts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  11:14:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit disneynuts's Homepage  Reply with Quote
only the hdx
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IC RE 1629
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  12:38:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a list of what rear engine buses Thomas offered in the past few years. Correct me if I am wrong:

1998 -- Saf-T-Liner MVP ER and Saf-T-Liner ER
1999 -- Saf-T-Liner MVP ER and Saf-T-Liner ER
2000 -- Saf-T-Liner MVP ER and Saf-T-Liner ER
2001 -- Saf-T-Liner ER and Saf-T-Liner ER HD
2002 -- Saf-T-Liner HD and Saf-T-Liner HDX
2003 -- Saf-T-Liner HD and Saf-T-Liner HDX
2004 -- Saf-T-Liner HDX
2005 -- Saf-T-Liner HDX
2006 -- Saf-T-Liner HDX

I think I've got this down. Again, please correct any of my mistakes.
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